RE: PH goes drag racing

RE: PH goes drag racing

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300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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TheMighty said:
If only it was that easy we'd all be bracket racing electric cars. Many of the variables that affect internal combustion engine cars similarly affect EVs with other things such as battery heater system draw or battery operating temperatures creating further issues which IC cars don't have to deal with.
Electric will still have a big advantage, temp won't really affect the power at all, as there will be a speed controller regulating the amp draw. So as long as the battery is in good health and above 'x' voltage, the power delivery will be highly consistent and predictable.

Track temp probably plays a small part too unless you are wheel spinning off the line each time. Which only leaves wind direction and strength, which are things you can't really measure on the fly, nor do anything about anyhow. And the speeds a Leaf is likely to be travelling at on the 1320, probably a non issue anyhow.

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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trickywoo said:
confusedroflrofl

Why don't you open your mind and read my post? I have no problem with the skill involved in drag racing which is significant. What I do have a problem with, and as I clearly said, is doing it in a low powered electric car where you just mash your foot to the floor and leave it there, No balancing revs, no changing gear no worry about wheel spin when you hook third at 150 mph. Just seems pointless doing it in a leaf.

Could you enter an electric bicycle. I'd be dead consistent on one of those even multiple pints down.
If only it were that simple 🤔 It's not all about mashing the throttle. Tyre temps, battery temperature and life, wind, track temp, how far into stage you are and driver ability all come into it even for a low powered car. Then there's learning your opposition and know how to race them, their strengths and weaknesses....bearing in mind we are taliking thousands of a second here

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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darrenw said:
I help run the VWDRC, if any one is at Santa Pod this weekend for the Festival of Power, or Big Bang next weekend, you're more than welcome to have a wander around our pits. We're grassroots level motorsport but we have some very quick cars out over the weekend!

Bracket racing is a lot of fun, almost as much fun as bracket drinking when it rains! biggrinbeer
Let's hope we don't have too much of the latter eh! .....mini now on route 😁

sc0tt

18,054 posts

202 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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37chevy said:
trickywoo said:
confusedroflrofl

Why don't you open your mind and read my post? I have no problem with the skill involved in drag racing which is significant. What I do have a problem with, and as I clearly said, is doing it in a low powered electric car where you just mash your foot to the floor and leave it there, No balancing revs, no changing gear no worry about wheel spin when you hook third at 150 mph. Just seems pointless doing it in a leaf.

Could you enter an electric bicycle. I'd be dead consistent on one of those even multiple pints down.
If only it were that simple ?? It's not all about mashing the throttle. Tyre temps, battery temperature and life, wind, track temp, how far into stage you are and driver ability all come into it even for a low powered car. Then there's learning your opposition and know how to race them, their strengths and weaknesses....bearing in mind we are taliking thousands of a second here
It sounds even more fun writing it like that ...

Crazy Don

76 posts

210 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Over here in Oz we have Run what you Brung or the more entertaining midweek drag meeting for road cars with the same 12 second limit known as Whoop Arse Wednesday.

Major T

1,046 posts

196 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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For someone with the right know-how, it would be fairly straightforward to program an electric car to automatically deliver perfectly consistent times, again and again, with a control algorithm. If outlawed, it would be easy again to program in a bit randomness, the right amount to still win.

Personally I love drag racing but struggle to get excited about the consistency of (slow) times.

coppice

8,623 posts

145 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Crikey some folk on this thread doth protest too much about leccy cars. Do they think that if they miss an opportunity to exercise their inner knuckle-dragger by ridiculing anything without a conventional ic engine their masculinity will be compromised ?

trickywoo

11,835 posts

231 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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coppice said:
Crikey some folk on this thread doth protest too much about leccy cars. Do they think that if they miss an opportunity to exercise their inner knuckle-dragger by ridiculing anything without a conventional ic engine their masculinity will be compromised ?
I shouldn't bother with this thread anymore but nobody is ridiculing electric cars.

The use of low powered electric cars in 'regularity' drag racing is being ridiculed because of the lack of skill required.

I really can't see how something coming down to thousandths of seconds can be much fun anyway. Somebody may be 'winning' then get a gust of wind on a run which spoils their time and there would be nothing they could do about it.

Each to their own but I can't see the point in running a slow electric vehicle in an event like this.

R11ysf

1,936 posts

183 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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37chevy said:
trickywoo said:
confusedroflrofl

Why don't you open your mind and read my post? I have no problem with the skill involved in drag racing which is significant. What I do have a problem with, and as I clearly said, is doing it in a low powered electric car where you just mash your foot to the floor and leave it there, No balancing revs, no changing gear no worry about wheel spin when you hook third at 150 mph. Just seems pointless doing it in a leaf.

Could you enter an electric bicycle. I'd be dead consistent on one of those even multiple pints down.
If only it were that simple ?? It's not all about mashing the throttle. Tyre temps, battery temperature and life, wind, track temp, how far into stage you are and driver ability all come into it even for a low powered car. Then there's learning your opposition and know how to race them, their strengths and weaknesses....bearing in mind we are taliking thousands of a second here
But if we take what you have as fact then I still agree with Tricky.

Everyone has to deal with the wind, tyre temp, grip, what they had for breakfast etc etc etc and so that it equal for everyone. However, a low powered electric car will be completely consistent in its production of result - linear power delivery and 0 rpm start. So given everyone has to deal with all the things you've mentioned the Leaf driver doesn't have to deal with launch control, wheelspin, missed gears or even different fuel levels. Therefore the Leaf has a natural competitive advantage.

That's simple and plain to see.

Fast Bug

11,714 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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sc0tt said:
It sounds even more fun writing it like that ...
Which is why heads up racing is better

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Fast Bug said:
Which is why heads up racing is better
Oh heads up is always better but for those of us who want a cheep way of going racing bracket racing is great and gives us all a chance

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Ironically I'm now at Santa pod pitted next to said Nissan Leaf with my mini....no doubt be racing him at some point...have both had a bit of a giggle over this thread. Basically if he doesn't win he's failed all of you...because it's that easy. Pressures on my friend!!!!

Addymk2

334 posts

173 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Is this rebellious maniac of a Leaf burner on this site or known to anyone on here?

It would be interesting to get there take on it. There tactics etc.

Where are you Leaf man? Or woman? Before this all gets out of hand

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Addymk2 said:
Is this rebellious maniac of a Leaf burner on this site or known to anyone on here?

It would be interesting to get there take on it. There tactics etc.

Where are you Leaf man? Or woman? Before this all gets out of hand
Yes known to a few of us and races in the same class as me... Chris aka the mighty who has posted a few times on this thread is super pro et champion (top level of bracket racing in the U.K.) I race my mini in sportsman et. The guy in the leaf is pitted next to me and racing in the same class. it's his first time racing proper this weekend so should be interesting to see how it goes!!!

Escort3500

11,917 posts

146 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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37chevy said:
Addymk2 said:
Is this rebellious maniac of a Leaf burner on this site or known to anyone on here?

It would be interesting to get there take on it. There tactics etc.

Where are you Leaf man? Or woman? Before this all gets out of hand
Yes known to a few of us and races in the same class as me... Chris aka the mighty who has posted a few times on this thread is super pro et champion (top level of bracket racing in the U.K.) I race my mini in sportsman et. The guy in the leaf is pitted next to me and racing in the same class. it's his first time racing proper this weekend so should be interesting to see how it goes!!!
Let us know how you get on buddy!

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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Escort3500 said:
Let us know how you get on buddy!
Will do!

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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37chevy said:
Will do!
Well the leaf is currently 6th out of 18 after first round of qualifying, in 15th coz I went too quick for my dail in but got a PB so well chuffed!!!

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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37chevy said:
Well the leaf is currently 6th out of 18 after first round of qualifying, in 15th coz I went too quick for my dail in but got a PB so well chuffed!!!
After q2 leaf is up to number 2, I'm up to number 7 in my Cooper s less than a 1/10th covering the top 7 :-)

37chevy

3,280 posts

157 months

Saturday 15th April 2017
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Well just to prove this isn't as easy as it looks, we just ran Q3 and all but 1 car went to quick. Yesterday we ran cool dull conditions with a head wind. Today warm sunny with a side wind. result for my little mini...15.99 yesterday, 15.71 today...amazing what the difference in conditions can make on even a small car.....and yes the leaf broke out too

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th April 2017
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37chevy said:
If only it were that simple ?? It's not all about mashing the throttle. Tyre temps, battery temperature and life, wind, track temp, how far into stage you are and driver ability all come into it even for a low powered car.
Is there enough power to actually wheelspin on a Leaf? If not then what effect do changing tyre temperatures have?