RE: VW Golf R: Driven
Discussion
epom said:
the_hood said:
dieselgrunt said:
wormus said:
But it's not a Q car as most people know what it is and the young, scruffy driver has almost certainly rented it. It doesn't speak softly with silly, excessively farty exhausts, nor does it carry a big stick as it's not that quick either.
My £500 Saab with an £80 remap and exhaust would give it a run for its money.
What Saab is it ? Might have to get me one of these Golf R killers for just a monkey.My £500 Saab with an £80 remap and exhaust would give it a run for its money.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 13th April 20:09
+2 (ps that's not a treasure map is it? )
HybridAero said:
HybridAero said:
Quick update:
Even with a window down, it managed a 10.9 second 100-200 km/h time, which is faster than a Ferrari 355, and about the same as a 360!
I made a little comparison video to back up this claim Even with a window down, it managed a 10.9 second 100-200 km/h time, which is faster than a Ferrari 355, and about the same as a 360!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTlgy2YkkpA
Superdry and hair gel (on PCP) gets owned by pipe and slippers. Pure class.
You think making a car a stage 5 costs £100??
Stage 5 Saab 95 -340bhp
b234/5r hybrid engine
19t-7cm turbo
do88 intercooler
Abbott Racing 3" downpipe and 3" exhaust system
Alloy race radiator
465 cc Green Giant injectors
Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump
Noobtune 360 map
Also it would be wheelspinning off the line for ages ( Golf would be long gone) and on the corners.....well lets just say the Golf would be long gone again. So with a £500 Saab and £3k parts + labour to fit it all thrown at it you could be as fast in gear as a Golf R (straightline only) but with no warranty and in a very dated 20 year old car. Not sure its a competitor really.
Stage 5 Saab 95 -340bhp
b234/5r hybrid engine
19t-7cm turbo
do88 intercooler
Abbott Racing 3" downpipe and 3" exhaust system
Alloy race radiator
465 cc Green Giant injectors
Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump
Noobtune 360 map
Also it would be wheelspinning off the line for ages ( Golf would be long gone) and on the corners.....well lets just say the Golf would be long gone again. So with a £500 Saab and £3k parts + labour to fit it all thrown at it you could be as fast in gear as a Golf R (straightline only) but with no warranty and in a very dated 20 year old car. Not sure its a competitor really.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 16th April 23:15
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Superflow said:
Alucidnation said:
So, if it was everything you wanted in a car, you wouldn't buy it because other people have one?
Righto.
Nearly,i wouldn't buy it because many, many people have one.I would seek out the closest alternative instead which is rarer. Righto.
When you look at the new generation of Uber hatches anything with 300 + bhp in the British climate on the road benefits from 4WD. Most manufacturers including Merc and BMW utilise Haldex or an imitation of it.
Ford use their own system in the RS.....is that the overheating rear diff system that goes into FWD on circuit??
Back on subject I've done high power RWD and FWD both of which have big limitations for the average driver on British roads in our climate.The GolfR S3, RS3, A45 all have their issues but I think VW got it right for a mature choice with plenty of performance and equipment for the outlay and it's that much cheaper than the S3 which is the same car.
It can be very fun and capable especially with some Bilsteins VWR brakes and 400bhp with the APR stage 2 upgrade to include their DSG map.....makes the box very nice and does what you want it to do especially on track. A highly capable package over the standard car.
Msportman said:
Ford use their own system in the RS.....is that the overheating rear diff system that goes into FWD on circuit??
However hard i drive my RS I haven't managed to make this happen. I suggest it would take lap after lap on a tight track in drift mode really taking the piss to cause it to need to cool off.My Haldex car is just plain boring in comparison. Haldex unfortunately ( in every application that I have tried it in) is just very unplayful and not much fun at all. You could never overheat it as it does so little but add traction. The Ford system is overspeeding wheels to give a rwd sensation and adjustability.
Never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to justify their car-buying choices to others. Especially those who are at great pains to show how much better they are for having a cheap nail that is "as good" and making out that anyone who buys an expensive car is a mug.
I had a friend like this who whatever you bought, he had something cheaper that was almost as good. Or had something that everyone thought was crap but the real cognoscenti like him knew it was really good.
Ok, whatevs.
I had a friend like this who whatever you bought, he had something cheaper that was almost as good. Or had something that everyone thought was crap but the real cognoscenti like him knew it was really good.
Ok, whatevs.
Ahbefive said:
However hard i drive my RS I haven't managed to make this happen. I suggest it would take lap after lap on a tight track in drift mode really taking the piss to cause it to need to cool off.
My Haldex car is just plain boring in comparison. Haldex unfortunately ( in every application that I have tried it in) is just very unplayful and not much fun at all. You could never overheat it as it does so little but add traction. The Ford system is overspeeding wheels to give a rwd sensation and adjustability.
The latest gen haldex as per the Golf does overspeed the outer back wheel to add yaw when powering through corners, but I wouldn't imagine it does anything to the point the focus does. It certainly doesn't try to pull the back end out.My Haldex car is just plain boring in comparison. Haldex unfortunately ( in every application that I have tried it in) is just very unplayful and not much fun at all. You could never overheat it as it does so little but add traction. The Ford system is overspeeding wheels to give a rwd sensation and adjustability.
Ahbefive said:
You think making a car a stage 5 costs £100??
Stage 5 Saab 95 -340bhp
b234/5r hybrid engine
19t-7cm turbo
do88 intercooler
Abbott Racing 3" downpipe and 3" exhaust system
Alloy race radiator
465 cc Green Giant injectors
Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump
Noobtune 360 map
Also it would be wheelspinning off the line for ages ( Golf would be long gone) and on the corners.....well lets just say the Golf would be long gone again. So with a £500 Saab and £3k parts + labour to fit it all thrown at it you could be as fast in gear as a Golf R (straightline only) but with no warranty and in a very dated 20 year old car. Not sure its a competitor really.
Not to mention that if spending £7k or whatever to lease a new Golf can be deemed daft by some, spending £3k modding a 20 year old £500 car is pretty insane! Unless the OP has bought the car for £500 with the mods which also wouldn't be a surprise.Stage 5 Saab 95 -340bhp
b234/5r hybrid engine
19t-7cm turbo
do88 intercooler
Abbott Racing 3" downpipe and 3" exhaust system
Alloy race radiator
465 cc Green Giant injectors
Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump
Noobtune 360 map
Also it would be wheelspinning off the line for ages ( Golf would be long gone) and on the corners.....well lets just say the Golf would be long gone again. So with a £500 Saab and £3k parts + labour to fit it all thrown at it you could be as fast in gear as a Golf R (straightline only) but with no warranty and in a very dated 20 year old car. Not sure its a competitor really.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 16th April 23:15
TomScrut said:
Not to mention that if spending £7k or whatever to lease a new Golf can be deemed daft by some, spending £3k modding a 20 year old £500 car is pretty insane! Unless the OP has bought the car for £500 with the mods which also wouldn't be a surprise.
How so? Spend £3.5k on a car to have a car at the end of it or £7k on a shopping trolley and have to give it back after 2 years? I'm not suggesting an old Saab is the pinnacle of automotive performance or sophistication, just illustrating that there are other ways to go fast for less. That won't appeal to some who are only concerned about renting the latest appliance, Each to their own.
wormus said:
How so? Spend £3.5k on a car to have a car at the end of it or £7k on a shopping trolley and have to give it back after 2 years?
I'm not suggesting an old Saab is the pinnacle of automotive performance or sophistication, just illustrating that there are other ways to go fast for less. That won't appeal to some who are only concerned about renting the latest appliance, Each to their own.
If a Golf is a "shopping trolley" then what is a saab.......an old "shopping trolley" I'm not suggesting an old Saab is the pinnacle of automotive performance or sophistication, just illustrating that there are other ways to go fast for less. That won't appeal to some who are only concerned about renting the latest appliance, Each to their own.
ClockworkCupcake said:
I do hope you have corner weighted your car and adjusted the suspension to compensate for the enormous chip on your shoulder.
Why would I have a chip on my shoulder about not doing what anyone has the option to do? I just wrote "each to their own" - as is, it's not my choice but I have no problem with other people doing it and I'm sure BrightHouse would do extremely well if they did cars.Conversely, the very suggestion that there's an alternative to renting the latest, 4WD tumble dryer is met will scoffs of disapproval.
DoubleD said:
wormus said:
DoubleD said:
If a Golf is a "shopping trolley" then what is a saab.......an old "shopping trolley"
Different classes of car I'm afraid - Golf is a hatchback, Saab 9-5 is an (old) executive express.wormus said:
TomScrut said:
Not to mention that if spending £7k or whatever to lease a new Golf can be deemed daft by some, spending £3k modding a 20 year old £500 car is pretty insane! Unless the OP has bought the car for £500 with the mods which also wouldn't be a surprise.
How so? Spend £3.5k on a car to have a car at the end of it or £7k on a shopping trolley and have to give it back after 2 years? I'm not suggesting an old Saab is the pinnacle of automotive performance or sophistication, just illustrating that there are other ways to go fast for less. That won't appeal to some who are only concerned about renting the latest appliance, Each to their own.
Basically this isn't about leasing, it's about whether one can justify the expense of a new or new ish car. If I had bought my Golf when I leased it it would have depreciated more than the lease cost, so why would that be the clever thing to do unless I wanted to keep it longer?
Sticks. said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Why is Haldex not smart anymore?
I thought the same system was used on Lamborghinis as well as Bugatti Veyron/Chiron?
I was thinking that. I get the impression from the article that it's so slow that it doesn't work well with the DSG.I thought the same system was used on Lamborghinis as well as Bugatti Veyron/Chiron?
Is that an issue in daily rather than track use?
I can't comment on road driving as it was all track based on the launch. Haldex is good enough, it just occasionally felt a little clumsy in getting power to the rear wheels. The system in the Focus RS feels more proactive in distributing the power around the car. It isn't a huge issue but has arguably become more prominent since the R's original introduction.
Matt
I love fast golfs and have had them on and off for 15 years. I'm a big fan of the R but if I'm honest I'd rather the Gti. Haven't driven either but there's just something classy about the gti that in my opinion the R loses.
Are the latest gti's considered performance cars? I know they don't have the all round performance of the R but do they still offer much as a good all round performance car.
As a side note I couldn't give the slightest damn how people choose to own them, what a boring subject.
Are the latest gti's considered performance cars? I know they don't have the all round performance of the R but do they still offer much as a good all round performance car.
As a side note I couldn't give the slightest damn how people choose to own them, what a boring subject.
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