RE: VW Golf R: Driven
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
Personally for £30k, I would have a multi car garage. Caterham/Elise and maybe a FD2 R or interesting BMW of some description. But according to this thread I don't appear to be the average PH'er...
There is no one car that can do it all IMO. The Golf is as good a compromise as you will get. But a big compromise.
And what if someone can only afford to or merely just wishes to only run one car at a time? Did any of this occur to you? Do you even bother to consider anything other than your own set of circumstances?There is no one car that can do it all IMO. The Golf is as good a compromise as you will get. But a big compromise.
Why does it bother you so much that the Golf R is a compromise that so many are happy to live with?
Why are you still here?
I couldn't find the words, but you're spot on.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
....or maybe you do choose to have a multi car garage but still love your Golfie?
...as said a gaziilion times on this thread, one size does not fit all
Good garage! I've got 3 cars myself although 1 is company car. At some point I do plan to make it 4 because I have both the means and desire to and just as importantly the space....as said a gaziilion times on this thread, one size does not fit all
It doesn't for one minute mean that I simply cannot understand or plainly refuse to accept that for many one car is the reality and for seemingly quite a few a Golf, and even a Golf R is the perfect all round package for them.
No there is no such thing a perfect single car but there can be those that can be considered a perfect compromise and many do consider the Golf to be one of those. Why that should confuse or offend anyone is beyond me.
SidewaysSi said:
elandri said:
Just to return to the article for a mo... Would someone please put me right on exactly what this means; "may not be great for on-road accessibility"?
I aside it means too much grip to access the limits regularly on the road. That is my main issue with cars like this. SidewaysSi said:
elandri said:
Just to return to the article for a mo... Would someone please put me right on exactly what this means; "may not be great for on-road accessibility"?
I aside it means too much grip to access the limits regularly on the road. That is my main issue with cars like this. It reminds me of the Lotus Elan SE Turbo that my ex had. It was quite the Marmite car.
Those that loved it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads.
Those that hated it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads.
Devastatingly fast point to point for the above reasons, regardless of the side of the fence you were on.
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Monday 24th April 09:21
ClockworkCupcake said:
Quite frankly, I would question the need or desirability to access the limits of a car on a public road.
It reminds me of the Lotus Elan SE Turbo that my ex had. It was quite the Marmite car.
Those that liked it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads, which made it devastatingly fast point to point.
Those that hated it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads, even though that made it devastatingly fast point to point.
Well put, I very much prefer "safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads, which made it devastatingly fast point to point" to the oppositeIt reminds me of the Lotus Elan SE Turbo that my ex had. It was quite the Marmite car.
Those that liked it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads, which made it devastatingly fast point to point.
Those that hated it did so because it was was safe, dependable, and pretty much impossible to get out of shape on public roads, even though that made it devastatingly fast point to point.
I don't get it. I don't need to have 2 vehicles, I don't even want 2 vehicles. I don't have the time to keep them on the road or the space to store them, we've got 1 space for our car, the other would have to go on the road.
I work from home and when I have to go out to work, I get picked up in a taxi and dropped to a studio, or dropped to an airport where I get on a plane and then someone else manages all my transport for me. Having my own car would just be another thing to worry about here in England.
When we were choosing a car, out of everything a hot hatch and more specifically the Golf R was the best fit. A car my wife could use daily and my car for a bit of fun when I do have to drive. It's the perfect balance and fills our needs very well.
I work from home and when I have to go out to work, I get picked up in a taxi and dropped to a studio, or dropped to an airport where I get on a plane and then someone else manages all my transport for me. Having my own car would just be another thing to worry about here in England.
When we were choosing a car, out of everything a hot hatch and more specifically the Golf R was the best fit. A car my wife could use daily and my car for a bit of fun when I do have to drive. It's the perfect balance and fills our needs very well.
SidewaysSi said:
Why is age a concern for you? And lots of grear cars can be bought for any budger. You sight an M3 as being put of budget but decent E36/E46 cars are half the money of an R. Leave plenty in the pot for upgrades...
Personally for £30k, I would have a multi car garage. Caterham/Elise and maybe a FD2 R or interesting BMW of some description. But according to this thread I don't appear to be the average PH'er...
There is no one car that can do it all IMO. The Golf is as good a compromise as you will get. But a big compromise.
I opted out of the company car policy (diesel only, sub 135g/km) and one of the conditions is the car must be less than 4 years old. I looked at less than three years old as I didn't want to buy a car every year.Personally for £30k, I would have a multi car garage. Caterham/Elise and maybe a FD2 R or interesting BMW of some description. But according to this thread I don't appear to be the average PH'er...
There is no one car that can do it all IMO. The Golf is as good a compromise as you will get. But a big compromise.
So, all the cars you mentioned don't work. The Golf does.
Compromise is right, but when you need 4 seats (company rule, and necessity due to family) it's not much of a compromise to get a Golf rather than a Caterham. Similarly some banger-nomics car won't work as I need reliability and as I mentioned before, new-ish.
I did see an ad for a C63 (saloon, coupe wouldn't meet my needs) but a) it'd gone within minutes, sold unseen and b) it was very high mileage for the age
DuncB7 said:
SidewaysSi said:
elandri said:
Just to return to the article for a mo... Would someone please put me right on exactly what this means; "may not be great for on-road accessibility"?
I aside it means too much grip to access the limits regularly on the road. That is my main issue with cars like this. A car with flaws such as crap traction and poor mechanical grip is better than a Golf R because it can be 'exploited' on a public road. What an absolute crock of schitt. A car that can't keep it's arse in check on a public road at low speeds is going to be a steaming pile of uselessness on a track, but hey, if it means he can legally drift round roundabouts at 29.9mph, who are we to argue?
SuperchargedVR6 said:
It's the same weird argument that all hipsters and anti-establishment types come out with to support their, oh so original, and edgy choices.
A car with flaws such as crap traction and poor mechanical grip is better than a Golf R because it can be 'exploited' on a public road. What an absolute crock of schitt. A car that can't keep it's arse in check on a public road at low speeds is going to be a steaming pile of uselessness on a track, but hey, if it means he can legally drift round roundabouts at 29.9mph, who are we to argue?
... or, just put the crappiest (but legal) tyres you can find on just about any car and try to venture out during or just after rain.A car with flaws such as crap traction and poor mechanical grip is better than a Golf R because it can be 'exploited' on a public road. What an absolute crock of schitt. A car that can't keep it's arse in check on a public road at low speeds is going to be a steaming pile of uselessness on a track, but hey, if it means he can legally drift round roundabouts at 29.9mph, who are we to argue?
Money saved, 'character' added to the driving experience and appropriate level of hazard (to be counteracted by driving god skills) achieved.
(also, be sure to disable useless frippery like stability control and ABS, they are for weak cowards and dull the edge that a 'proper' driver should have!
)TomScrut said:
Wow! Funnily enough I have had the exact opposite experience from behind the wheel of an R where I overtook a Ford C Max doing around 45mph in a 60 and then all of a sudden he turned into a wannabe Lewis Hamilton, I couldn't leave him (while being sensible) and so he overtook me the next chance he got and disappeared off I to the distance at what looked like over 100. If he had been driving like that to begin with I wouldn't have caught him. I really don't get the mentality of people who drive along at whatever speed until somebody comes up behind them or overtakes them and they go nuts. It's even more nonsensical than the people who drive like nutters all the time I think. I just drive the speed I want and if somebody comes past me then so be it, I don't try and stop them even if I could. So I can agree with your sentiments but I have never seen it done in an R and I think it's also unfair to attach these prejudices to all people who drive the cars or the cars themselves. I think you will find nutters, w***ers etc in most types of fast hatchback, I certainly have. Funnily enough I overtook an R the other week and guess what? They didn't put their foot down or anything!
I get that all too frequently as well .. you overtake someone doing less than the limit who then decides that you need to learn that they are not to be trifled with, and they proceed to do everything they can to get back ahead at any cost. Usually it has to be said, it's someone in a chipped VAG diesel.Since they are willing to do license-losing speeds and pull all manner of risky overtakes, you are never going to keep up with them without driving dangerously (even if you wanted to) so I figure why even take the bait and let them pass and rocket off into the distance, hopefully never to be seen again.
The only problem is that you will often catch up with them after 5-10 mins or so as once they figure they are literally and figuratively 'out of sight' they slow back down and then it's back to their tiresome antics, or worse you know that they will try to floor it when you overtake making any overtake a much riskier prospect that it would otherwise be. Amazing the amount of times you'll see a huge black puff of soot come out the back as soon as you are in a reasonable situation to make a pass.
SidewaysSi said:
Personally for £30k, I would have a multi car garage. Caterham/Elise and maybe a FD2 R or interesting BMW of some description. But according to this thread I don't appear to be the average PH'er...
The thing is looking at a £30k car and saying you could have four cars for that isn't how car purchasing typically works. Could you buy those four cars for the same monthly payments? Probably not. Factor in maintenance costs and the monthly budget goes through the roof.SuperchargedVR6 said:
DuncB7 said:
SidewaysSi said:
elandri said:
Just to return to the article for a mo... Would someone please put me right on exactly what this means; "may not be great for on-road accessibility"?
I aside it means too much grip to access the limits regularly on the road. That is my main issue with cars like this. A car with flaws such as crap traction and poor mechanical grip is better than a Golf R because it can be 'exploited' on a public road. What an absolute crock of schitt. A car that can't keep it's arse in check on a public road at low speeds is going to be a steaming pile of uselessness on a track, but hey, if it means he can legally drift round roundabouts at 29.9mph, who are we to argue?
And who said anything about flaws, crap traction and a car not 'being able to keep its arse in check at low speeds'? I didn't even talk about being on a track. So we can summise that you really have little clue about much and are reading into what you want.
Yes, I like my car to move around and yes I don't like a car with too much grip. Too many years of driving Caterhams, old French hatches and the like mean I look for cars with steering feel, handling capability and exploitability on road. Point and go with lots of pace and synthetic steering gets pretty dull very quickly IMO. But obviously many seem to love that kind of thing.
Personally I don't care about CO2 emissions, company car needs (if in that position I would buy something else as well to keep me happy) and don't believe newer cars are any more reliable than something well maintained and older. And as for cost, there are ways and means around most things if you so desire...
As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.
Edited by SidewaysSi on Monday 24th April 19:43
I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.
If they drive one, award one point, if they don't deduct one point. After a bad start, I've got into the psyche of the R lover and I'm currently on +4. We need some more people to contribute though.
Come on you hoodies, where are you?
If they drive one, award one point, if they don't deduct one point. After a bad start, I've got into the psyche of the R lover and I'm currently on +4. We need some more people to contribute though.
Come on you hoodies, where are you?
wormus said:
I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.
If they drive one, award one point, if they don't deduct one point. After a bad start, I've got into the psyche of the R lover and I'm currently on +4. We need some more people to contribute though.
Come on you hoodies, where are you?
You need a hobby.....or a girlfriend If they drive one, award one point, if they don't deduct one point. After a bad start, I've got into the psyche of the R lover and I'm currently on +4. We need some more people to contribute though.
Come on you hoodies, where are you?
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