RE: VW Golf R: Driven

[DoubleD]

Both

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

Both

Then I salute you!

[TomScrut]

wormus said:

I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.

If they drive one, award one point, if they don't deduct one point. After a bad start, I've got into the psyche of the R lover and I'm currently on +4. We need some more people to contribute though.

Come on you hoodies, where are you?

You obviously live in a rough area or something, I have yet to see a chav/ned/bruv in an R around here. Do you see them in the Rs when you don't have your snob tinted glasses on?

[tomjol]

SidewaysSi said:

Oh how I love this place... So am I a hipster and anti-establishment now because i don't see the appeal of a Golf as a sole car? Right. And a vegan too I presume?! Maybe even a Corby type for the full effect?

And who said anything about flaws, crap traction and a car not 'being able to keep its arse in check at low speeds'? I didn't even talk about being on a track. So we can summise that you really have little clue about much and are reading into what you want.

Yes, I like my car to move around and yes I don't like a car with too much grip. Too many years of driving Caterhams, old French hatches and the like mean I look for cars with steering feel, handling capability and exploitability on road. Point and go with lots of pace and synthetic steering gets pretty dull very quickly IMO. But obviously many seem to love that kind of thing.

Personally I don't care about CO2 emissions, company car needs (if in that position I would buy something else as well to keep me happy) and don't believe newer cars are any more reliable than something well maintained and older. And as for cost, there are ways and means around most things if you so desire...

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Monday 24th April 19:43

You still don't get it.

You like some things. Other people like other things. That's perfectly OK. There is no need for everyone to agree on what they like, or to own the same things. This is normal. It's called "not being a bit of a weirdo".

[gigglebug]

SidewaysSi said:

Oh how I love this place... So am I a hipster and anti-establishment now because i don't see the appeal of a Golf as a sole car? Right.

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Monday 24th April 19:43

Funnily enough it's only your attitude that's being called into question as it happens.

No-one on the pages I've been involved with have suggested that you personally would be better off with the Golf or that your personal garage is under scruitiny. All that's been stated or suggested are different individuals reasons for choosing the Golf or reasons why folks could understand the choice being made.

It is you that has repeatedly felt the need to try and justify to those who are already happy with their choice or opinion on the Golf that they are wrong, quite why you are feeling the need to do this is still an ongoing mystery.

It is you that has clearly stated that you would have no interest in someone that has a Golf R as their only car. I mean really? What do you think that says about you as a person?

It is your intolerance to anyone who has decided that a Golf R would be the perfect car for them that is not being tolerated, not the other way around.

[Spawn]

I popped in here because the title was about a relatively interesting car (kind of). Once again I just find a load of numpties popping back out.

[TomScrut]

Spawn said:

I popped in here because the title was about a relatively interesting car (kind of). Once again I just find a load of numpties popping back out.

Cool story

[ClockworkCupcake]

wormus said:

I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.

So you admit that you're just an internet troll then?

SidewaysSi said:

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

And I rather suspect you are just a troll too. You're the one imposing his views on peoples' choice of car, not the other way round. I don't give two sts what you drive.

[TomScrut]

It's the fact that those who drive the Golfs are being stereotyped that's got me a bit miffed. Couldn't care less if they don't like the car but being all high and mighty and judgemental about those who have them, and to an extent those who have cars on lease or on tick is just wrong. Many people from many walks of lives drive these cars, not just people who lease them, not just boy racers. It's the making it personal with very inaccurate stereotypes, yeah the cars not for you I can live with that, but why then try sniping at those who do like it and have fair reasons for liking it in the same way that you have fair reasons for not?

[ClockworkCupcake]

TomScrut said:

It's the fact that those who drive the Golfs are being stereotyped that's got me a bit miffed. Couldn't care less if they don't like the car but being all high and mighty and judgemental about those who have them, and to an extent those who have cars on lease or on tick is just wrong. Many people from many walks of lives drive these cars, not just people who lease them, not just boy racers. It's the making it personal with very inaccurate stereotypes, yeah the cars not for you I can live with that, but why then try sniping at those who do like it and have fair reasons for liking it in the same way that you have fair reasons for not?

Exactly.

[SidewaysSi]

gigglebug said:

SidewaysSi said:

Oh how I love this place... So am I a hipster and anti-establishment now because i don't see the appeal of a Golf as a sole car? Right.

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Monday 24th April 19:43

Funnily enough it's only your attitude that's being called into question as it happens.

No-one on the pages I've been involved with have suggested that you personally would be better off with the Golf or that your personal garage is under scruitiny. All that's been stated or suggested are different individuals reasons for choosing the Golf or reasons why folks could understand the choice being made.

It is you that has repeatedly felt the need to try and justify to those who are already happy with their choice or opinion on the Golf that they are wrong, quite why you are feeling the need to do this is still an ongoing mystery.

It is you that has clearly stated that you would have no interest in someone that has a Golf R as their only car. I mean really? What do you think that says about you as a person?

It is your intolerance to anyone who has decided that a Golf R would be the perfect car for them that is not being tolerated, not the other way around.

My attitude, my intolerance, what this says about me as a person etc. Well since you asked, I actually think it means I am very well balanced and an excellent judge of character . After all, I have hardly said anything remotely controversial but you seem somewhat offended.

I don't think anyone is 'wrong' to buy what they want - there is little chance of that given it is a car purchase. People can buy what they bloody well like and will buy what suits their personal needs, be it perceived image, speed or anything else.

I just think it is pretty sad if so called enthusiasts think the absolute best thing they can buy with £30k burning a hole in their pocket is a new Golf. The pinnacle of motoring as we know it - as interesting and exciting as life behind the wheel gets. There are plenty of great cars out there to suit all needs and budgets but obviously none of them does what an average new VW does. And yes, we all know about the one car solution 'argument' that has already been discussed.

So me having very little common interest with someone who chooses a new VW is hardly controversial or surprising. If that makes me a 'troll' or anything similar then I am truly and deeply sorry for the offence I have inadvertently caused...

Anyway, I have had enough of a laugh with (at?) you lot so let's agree to enjoy our cars as we see fit eh?

Wormus, time to fire up your Saab stories again mate - I am passing the baton back to you. Your Monaro sounds a cracker but I hear the CO2 and infotainment aren't that great though. And maybe you need a good double clutch 'box instead of that archaic manual nonsense..

[Ceeejay]

Loving my Golf R estate... Practicality of a van, performance of a Porsche.....

Having been a German fanboy all my life I didnt even consider anything from another manufacturer...

For me it hits a perfect balance of performance / practicality and price..... If i had the money then of course I'd have bought an RS6... but can you get one of them anywhere near £300 a month... I dont think so.

It trundles around on the commute quite happily with gadgets galore to entertain me, and the active cruise control is awesome in traffic... Then click the DSG into sport and off you go like a scaled cat if you want to.... Awesome

Trips to the tip with the back full of rubbish have never been so entertaining

[anonymous-user]

SidewaysSi said:

Wormus, time to fire up your Saab stories again mate - I am passing the baton back to you. Your Monaro sounds a cracker but I hear the CO2 and infotainment aren't that great though. And maybe you need a good double clutch 'box instead of that archaic manual nonsense..

You've been reading my MOT history haven't you! I had a few cat issues but they are sorted now. Stereo is a bit crap but I don't use it as whilst it doesn't belch and fart up and down the gearbox, it doesn't need a soundicator to sound like a proper car.

Back to Saabs, HybridAero (from the readers cars thread) is selling is 350hp Aero for about £4K. That's got faster in gear acceleration than an R, more interesting and costs about half of what the Golf renter would pay in lease payments over a 24m period. Now that's value for money!

[anonymous-user]

ClockworkCupcake said:

wormus said:

I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.

So you admit that you're just an internet troll then?

SidewaysSi said:

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

And I rather suspect you are just a troll too. You're the one imposing his views on peoples' choice of car, not the other way round. I don't give two sts what you drive.

Two (internet) trolls in one thread, what are the chances of that? I'm just having a laugh at the expense of people who I see taking themselves and their cars way too seriously.

I like the Golf R but it's not desirable because it's not scarce, too accessible to the masses and as a result, not aspirational. Now many don't care and enjoy it for what it is which is fine. This all started because I suggested a Saab with a bit of money spent on it would be just as fast in a straight line and l was branded a witch and now a troll and a snob it seems.

I'm off to do more dick swinging in my snob tinted spectacles

[Tony33]

SidewaysSi said:

I just think it is pretty sad if so called enthusiasts think the absolute best thing they can buy with £30k burning a hole in their pocket is a new Golf.

The point being made is that stereotyping enthusiasts regarding their choices is just as bad as calling all enthusiasts irresponsible nutters for talking about driving cars at and beyond limits of adhesion. It is simply being narrow minded.

As has has been said there are so many reasons why a person who is a fan of cars might choose a single, new or nearly new car which has to perform more mundane tasks as its primary function. It could be a lack of space for two (or more) cars, a sneaky way of getting a more sporty car whilst keeping everyone else happy and so on.

[gigglebug]

Tony33 said:

SidewaysSi said:

I just think it is pretty sad if so called enthusiasts think the absolute best thing they can buy with £30k burning a hole in their pocket is a new Golf.

The point being made is that stereotyping enthusiasts regarding their choices is just as bad as calling all enthusiasts irresponsible nutters for talking about driving cars at and beyond limits of adhesion. It is simply being narrow minded.

As has has been said there are so many reasons why a person who is a fan of cars might choose a single, new or nearly new car which has to perform more mundane tasks as its primary function. It could be a lack of space for two (or more) cars, a sneaky way of getting a more sporty car whilst keeping everyone else happy and so on.

Clearly a waste of time unfortunately.

A so called enthusiast would never choose a Golf it would appear.

But a so called enthusiast would see fit to completely dismiss and ridicule other folks choices simply because they cannot be bothered or simply just don't have the capacity to understand them apparently.

I don't what's sadder, that single premise or that fact the Sideways believes they have came anyway close to offending anyone with their prepubescent attitude.

[Alucidnation]

wormus said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

wormus said:

I'm particularly enjoying my new game called "Golf R bingo". Simply find a post in this thread from somebody either embarrassingly gushy about said Bruvchariot or really angry at anyone who doesn't then look in their garage.

So you admit that you're just an internet troll then?

SidewaysSi said:

As for why I still here - because I love the attitudes of some people. But what the hell, I really should realise that the collective PH VW types know it all and I should sell all my cars and get a Golf. I have seen the light. I am forever indebted.

And I rather suspect you are just a troll too. You're the one imposing his views on peoples' choice of car, not the other way round. I don't give two sts what you drive.

Two (internet) trolls in one thread, what are the chances of that? I'm just having a laugh at the expense of people who I see taking themselves and their cars way too seriously.

I like the Golf R but it's not desirable because it's not scarce, too accessible to the masses and as a result, not aspirational.

What a fking bell end.

[TomScrut]

wormus said:

Back to Saabs, HybridAero (from the readers cars thread) is selling is 350hp Aero for about £4K. That's got faster in gear acceleration than an R, more interesting and costs about half of what the Golf renter would pay in lease payments over a 24m period. Now that's value for money!

Now don't get me wrong, I do think that Saab is quite cool, but I would only every consider it for a second car to lark about in. In that state of tune, how reliable is it going to be? And given there has been a lot of money spent on it one would presume that it may cost a fair bit to put right if something did go wrong? These are questions as I'm sure nobody actually knows the answer until something does go wrong with it.

I just don't think comparing a pretty heavily modified 15 year old car with a brand new one is really going to come to any conclusion everyone agrees on anyway. I know for a fact I wouldn't want to commit to it. If my R had broken down it would have been mended for me and I would have had a courtesy car to use in the meantime. As it turned out it didn't need any warranty work anyway.

Some people like old cars, some people like new cars. Get over it. All old cars were new at one time so if nobody got new cars there wouldn't be old cars to buy.

[heebeegeetee]

Alucidnation said:

What a fking bell end.

I agree. "it's not scarce, too accessible to the masses and as a result, not aspirational" and he thinks others take themselves too seriously.

[Coolbanana]

wormus said:

At least I have a car.

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Edited by wormus on Monday 24th April 19:57

You have a Vauxhall Monaro and a...Saab! At least Sidesways has a Cayman GT4; a great drivers car so he has a platform for projecting 'superiority' over owners of lesser metal if that's his bent. Not what a Petrolhead or car enthusiast would do, of course.

Let's have a go at what you've been doing: That Monaro simply screams hairy backed beer-swigging, pot-bellied Bin Truck driver who has saved up enough pennies to get into a basic V8 that's 'aspirational' only to those that can't get the car it is trying - and failing - to emulate; the Mustang.

Fun this isn't it? Deliberately joining a thread just to denigrate the car being discussed for attention rather than intelligent debate is sad, don'tcha think?