are NA engines fun?
Discussion
irfan1712 said:
Bit of an open question, but for me its big capacity N/A's. I've only ever owned 3 cars, the first was a 1.4 mk4 Golf,
the second an R32
Hmmmm, the R32 has to be one of the worst NA engines I've ever experienced. It gives you a little taste of potential over a tiny, diesel like power band, and then it's all over. A really, really disappointing engine, and in the real world no faster than an EP3 Civic Type R. the second an R32
And that's the problem with NA. They hit their peak at one point in the rpm range and then it starts fading away, and boy can you feel the effect of that in the R32! VVT/VVL can only help improve that so much.
e8_pack said:
I have a GTR running 620hp and a 911 turbo. Both are slow compared to my all motor 2.0 Duratec Westfield running 270+hp.
"All motor". Are you American? It's a stupid phrase that comes across as apologetic in some way, or some kind of boast that their aspirated engine is somehow remarkable for it's capacity, when really the power is just coming from revs, and they keep quiet about the lack of torque.SuperchargedVR6 said:
And that's the problem with NA. They hit their peak at one point in the rpm range and then it starts fading away, and boy can you feel the effect of that in the R32! VVT/VVL can only help improve that so much.
My LS seems alright 
Edited by AshBurrows on Thursday 8th June 11:29
my R8 4.2 V8 is a peach. lots of low down torque for pottering, 4th gear roll on is immense, and its still pulling like a train at 8k revs.
i had a 6 litre LS6 kit car on carbs, 440ft/lb and 410bhp @ hubs, that only revved to 6,400rpm. it got there and pinged the rev cut in no time, and the torque everywhere was just immense fun. i could drive round blyton in 4th gear if i wanted and still be quick everywhere.
cant beat a well set up V8, if only petrol was cheap lol
i had a 6 litre LS6 kit car on carbs, 440ft/lb and 410bhp @ hubs, that only revved to 6,400rpm. it got there and pinged the rev cut in no time, and the torque everywhere was just immense fun. i could drive round blyton in 4th gear if i wanted and still be quick everywhere.
cant beat a well set up V8, if only petrol was cheap lol
SuperchargedVR6 said:
And that's the problem with NA. They hit their peak at one point in the rpm range and then it starts fading away, and boy can you feel the effect of that in the R32! VVT/VVL can only help improve that so much.
All engines hit their peak torque/power at one point in the RPM range, it's the definition of the word.5 cars in my stable right now. Favourite is definitely N/A due to the noise factor. Fuel consumption not a consideration.
N/A (old-school) V8 - peak torque at 6000rpm. Slow to wake up at the traffic lights and really needs to be revved, but I adore the V8 soundtrack, wouldn't swap for a turbocharged 4-pot with twice the power. Not fun to potter around in traffic with though.
N/A V12 - peak torque way lower in the range, but always pulls instantly and powerfully. With turbo I think it would be dangerous with me at the wheel.
N/A V6 - more than enough power on tap and a lovely motorway cruiser, never felt the absence of turbo.
Supercharged 4-pot - quick and nimble, no noticeable lag as it's supercharged not turbocharged. The sound is tinny and unsatisfying, though quick as any of the others in traffic and lots of overtaking oomph at higher speeds, just as quick as the bigger engined V6 and old V8 in normal driving.
Turbodiesel 1.9 as my snotter for shopping runs - don't ever even feel the turbo. Not quick in any rev range but just about enough. Dull and functional.
N/A (old-school) V8 - peak torque at 6000rpm. Slow to wake up at the traffic lights and really needs to be revved, but I adore the V8 soundtrack, wouldn't swap for a turbocharged 4-pot with twice the power. Not fun to potter around in traffic with though.
N/A V12 - peak torque way lower in the range, but always pulls instantly and powerfully. With turbo I think it would be dangerous with me at the wheel.
N/A V6 - more than enough power on tap and a lovely motorway cruiser, never felt the absence of turbo.
Supercharged 4-pot - quick and nimble, no noticeable lag as it's supercharged not turbocharged. The sound is tinny and unsatisfying, though quick as any of the others in traffic and lots of overtaking oomph at higher speeds, just as quick as the bigger engined V6 and old V8 in normal driving.
Turbodiesel 1.9 as my snotter for shopping runs - don't ever even feel the turbo. Not quick in any rev range but just about enough. Dull and functional.
Mr2Mike said:
DoYouEvenBoost said:
Were these people aware they were in a race with you when you made them look silly?
Read his post again, he never mentioned a race. Most tailgating t
ts are unable to look any further forward than the next car, so it's easy to pull away from them then the road opens up, even in a low powered car. This is a frequent occurrence when I'm driving the Smart, dheads tailgating in 30/40 limits but are then seemingly incapable of anticipating an increase in speed as you enter an NSL section.e21Mark said:
Just how quickly can a Citigo do the 30 to 70 dash then? (Assuming you know the torque curve and work the gears obviously!)
Why 30-70mph when a 30mph road is vastly more likely to open up to a single carriageway 60mph road?Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 8th June 10:23
"you can leave a lazy BMW driver who's been tailgating you through a 30 zone looking silly at the transition to NSL laugh."
How exactly does it make the BMW driver look silly without the implication there was some form of competition *cough* a race *cough*. Did he draw a silly moustache on the BMW driver? Did he pin a riotously funny note to his back and he didn't notice? Perhaps he prank phone called him and use this just brilliant fake accent and the BMW driver was none the wiser, the silly goose!
I'm faster than Usain Bolt if he's sitting down eating dinner and oblivious to the competition. I don't then go round bragging that I can run faster than him...because I'm not, he was sitting down...
"but I've gone faster round corners than people in "faster" cars have by some margin" Same thing again, were they aware they were in some form of cornering competition? If not, it's not really a valid benchmark for the viscous cornering abilities (or complete lack there of) of a Citigo against cars that are "faster". The use of "" implies that they are in fact not faster than him but how would he know unless they were racing?
Nothing wrong with driving slower cars, they can be fun but it's so so sad when people have to brag about how "fast" they are, their egos clearly can't handle it.
Methinks you doth protest to much - of course it wasn't a race (And would it be somehow more acceptable if it had been ?) It's a bit of fun , seasoned with some schadenfreude that drivers of cars with the DRG aggression of nearly every German car can be embarrassed, made to look at odds with their steeds mighty virility, by some humble shopping car . I used to indulge in the same very childish pleasure by overtaking whatever I could (more than you'd think ) in my 2CV in the 80s .
Frankly ,it's a lot less tttish than indulging in the full sturm und drang of AMG Mercs (other shouty cars are available ) at inappropriate moments
Frankly ,it's a lot less t
ttish than indulging in the full sturm und drang of AMG Mercs (other shouty cars are available ) at inappropriate moments coppice said:
Methinks you doth protest to much - of course it wasn't a race (And would it be somehow more acceptable if it had been ?) It's a bit of fun , seasoned with some schadenfreude that drivers of cars with the DRG aggression of nearly every German car can be embarrassed, made to look at odds with their steeds mighty virility, by some humble shopping car . I used to indulge in the same very childish pleasure by overtaking whatever I could (more than you'd think ) in my 2CV in the 80s .
Frankly ,it's a lot less tttish than indulging in the full sturm und drang of AMG Mercs (other shouty cars are available ) at inappropriate moments
This. Some dFrankly ,it's a lot less t
ttish than indulging in the full sturm und drang of AMG Mercs (other shouty cars are available ) at inappropriate moments head was tailgating me, clearly wanting me to go faster. So, when it became legal to do so, flooring it in 2nd is saying "you want faster? I'll show you ing faster you twunt". I did the same with a white van driver on the same stretch recently... with a friendly wave "goodbye".People like that will take it as an insult to their manhood.
DoYouEvenBoost said:
Mr2Mike said:
DoYouEvenBoost said:
Were these people aware they were in a race with you when you made them look silly?
Read his post again, he never mentioned a race. Most tailgating tts are unable to look any further forward than the next car, so it's easy to pull away from them then the road opens up, even in a low powered car. This is a frequent occurrence when I'm driving the Smart, dheads tailgating in 30/40 limits but are then seemingly incapable of anticipating an increase in speed as you enter an NSL section.e21Mark said:
Just how quickly can a Citigo do the 30 to 70 dash then? (Assuming you know the torque curve and work the gears obviously!)
Why 30-70mph when a 30mph road is vastly more likely to open up to a single carriageway 60mph road?Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 8th June 10:23
"you can leave a lazy BMW driver who's been tailgating you through a 30 zone looking silly at the transition to NSL laugh."
How exactly does it make the BMW driver look silly without the implication there was some form of competition *cough* a race *cough*. Did he draw a silly moustache on the BMW driver? Did he pin a riotously funny note to his back and he didn't notice? Perhaps he prank phone called him and use this just brilliant fake accent and the BMW driver was none the wiser, the silly goose!
I'm faster than Usain Bolt if he's sitting down eating dinner and oblivious to the competition. I don't then go round bragging that I can run faster than him...because I'm not, he was sitting down...
"but I've gone faster round corners than people in "faster" cars have by some margin" Same thing again, were they aware they were in some form of cornering competition? If not, it's not really a valid benchmark for the viscous cornering abilities (or complete lack there of) of a Citigo against cars that are "faster". The use of "" implies that they are in fact not faster than him but how would he know unless they were racing?
Nothing wrong with driving slower cars, they can be fun but it's so so sad when people have to brag about how "fast" they are, their egos clearly can't handle it.
Seeing as someone brought this back from the dead...
They are now up to Euro 4 (motorbikes from 2016 and mopeds from 2017). Euro 5 will apply from 2020.
Mr2Mike said:
Bikes don't currently get tested for emissions, though I doubt that situation will last much longer.
If you mean at MOT then no. Although they have to conform to emissions standards still and have done since 1997 when Euro 1 standards were brought in for 2 and three wheeled vehicles. They are now up to Euro 4 (motorbikes from 2016 and mopeds from 2017). Euro 5 will apply from 2020.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
And that's the problem with NA. They hit their peak at one point in the rpm range and then it starts fading away, and boy can you feel the effect of that in the R32! VVT/VVL can only help improve that so much.
All engines hit their peak at some point in the rev range! N/a can be made to have a broad power curve or hit maximum power just before the rev limit. TheAngryDog said:
200Plus Club said:
i've never had a supercharged car, and feel i have probably missed out a little...
Me neither. I love turbo's too much. More potential for power and acceleration.
TheAngryDog said:
I have since owned and sold a supercharged E55. Immense amount of power and a cranking engine, but the car itself was a one trick pony. The E60 that replaced it has a glorious sounding engine, but thanks to the wrong choice of garage, is an engine that is now being rebuilt. New readers rides thread coming in April when I get it back, after £11k being spent on it.
Just to check... are you talking about the Brabus E60 or a BMW 5-series? I realise the latter is more likely but as you mentioned it replaced an E55 my heart hopes for the former.
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