Morgan / Peugeot whoopsie
Discussion
Matthen said:
L500 said:
This happened at a very nice monthly classic car event in the car park of White Lion Antiques, just outside Hartley Wintney. It's a dangerous road and hotspot for incident. The Mog is turning right towards HW. Cars coming from his right are often speeding up as it opens into a dual carriageway soon after the antique shop - so you have to have your wits about you.
The Pug is coming down a very fast dual carriageway hill (from Blackbushe), going into single file right at the scene of this accident. It's a dangerous, and complicated junction for those who don't use it often. Not saying the Mog wasn't at fault, but I am saying it was an accident in an accident hotspot that hopefully the local authority will now do something about it. Could have been far worse.
The "Fast Dual carriageway" you mention is now forty mph and single lane all the way from the blackbush roundabout (unless the authorities have come to there senses and reset it to NSL). There is no way on earth the 206 was only doing 40 - it would have been going far more slowly if it had been. The Pug is coming down a very fast dual carriageway hill (from Blackbushe), going into single file right at the scene of this accident. It's a dangerous, and complicated junction for those who don't use it often. Not saying the Mog wasn't at fault, but I am saying it was an accident in an accident hotspot that hopefully the local authority will now do something about it. Could have been far worse.
If the authorities had left that road well alone the accident wouldn't have happened. There would have been room for the Peugeot to swerve, and chances are the Morgan would have thought twice about pulling out like that. s
t driving all round IMO. Just shows though, all the safety improvements and increases in journey time as a consequence of them have achieved exactly nothing. They'd have been better of making that junction left turn only, its only a couple of miles up to the roundabout and back. [The "Fast Dual carriageway" I mention, is still very much there my friend.]
Edited by L500 on Tuesday 18th April 18:40
Edited by L500 on Tuesday 18th April 18:41
DoubleD said:
carl_w said:
SteveSteveson said:
At best they would end up taking out that bollard and at worst hitting the central reservation and either flipping or ending up in oncoming traffic, but there is no way a normal average driver (or even a PH driving god) is going to make that 1 second gap at that speed, especially during an emergency stop.
You say that, but I have never driven into the back of another car without attempting to go around it first. Even at the last 1/10th of a second there is no attempt to avoid. saaby93 said:
It's time they redesigned this type of junction onto a dual carriageway or similar A road junction.
Its not often you get a gap in both streams so you get people 'going for it'
Instead of planting a bollard in it, why cant they use the right hand lane there as an acceleration slip lane for people turning right like the Moggie, then allow some merge in turn a while later?
Why not just look and make sure its safe to join the road when pulling out, instead of driving like a Its not often you get a gap in both streams so you get people 'going for it'
Instead of planting a bollard in it, why cant they use the right hand lane there as an acceleration slip lane for people turning right like the Moggie, then allow some merge in turn a while later?
bell end.
The other car could have been a bike.
SVTRick said:
saaby93 said:
It's time they redesigned this type of junction onto a dual carriageway or similar A road junction.
Its not often you get a gap in both streams so you get people 'going for it'
Instead of planting a bollard in it, why cant they use the right hand lane there as an acceleration slip lane for people turning right like the Moggie, then allow some merge in turn a while later?
Why not just look and make sure its safe to join the road when pulling out, instead of driving like a Its not often you get a gap in both streams so you get people 'going for it'
Instead of planting a bollard in it, why cant they use the right hand lane there as an acceleration slip lane for people turning right like the Moggie, then allow some merge in turn a while later?
bell end.
The other car could have been a bike.
If it had been a bike there may have been room to go around
If not, even more reason to get the layout sorted before it happens again
Matthen said:
The "Fast Dual carriageway" you mention is now forty mph and single lane all the way from the blackbush roundabout (unless the authorities have come to there senses and reset it to NSL). There is no way on earth the 206 was only doing 40 - it would have been going far more slowly if it had been.
The 50 road signs in the video say otherwise, it's not single lane either. You only have to look at the You Tube uploaders other video from the day of the Morgan crash and can see the clear dual carraigewayEdited by Nickyboy on Tuesday 18th April 23:55
Nickyboy said:
The 50 road signs in the video say otherwise, it's not single lane either. You only have to look at the You Tube uploaders other video from the day of the Morgan crash and can see the clear dual carraigeway
where is ithttps://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2927916,-0.91961...
Nickyboy said:
The 50 road signs in the video say otherwise, it's not single lane either. You only have to look at the You Tube uploaders other video from the day of the Morgan crash and can see the clear dual carraigeway
Or live 2 minutes down the road... It's 100% a dual carriageway, reducing to a single carriageway right opposite the Antique place. Either way, it's a dangerous junction.Edited by Nickyboy on Tuesday 18th April 23:55
DoubleD said:
Ahh, so the horn is on the steering wheel meaning that any half decent driver can easily push it whilst maintaining full control of the vehicle, very clever.
A much better system than my car where the horn is in the boot meaning i have to get out of the car to press it......
A much better system than my car where the horn is in the boot meaning i have to get out of the car to press it......
L500 said:
Or live 2 minutes down the road... It's 100% a dual carriageway, reducing to a single carriageway right opposite the Antique place. Either way, it's a dangerous junction.
There are numerous very dangerous amendments to dual carriageways in our area. On the A31 heading towards Alton there are similar cases where the former two lane road has been reduced to single lane by inserting islands or build outs into what had been the fast lanes. I think it is a very dangerous practice - especially for those who drive open top cars or ride motor cycles.
Eric Mc said:
L500 said:
Or live 2 minutes down the road... It's 100% a dual carriageway, reducing to a single carriageway right opposite the Antique place. Either way, it's a dangerous junction.
There are numerous very dangerous amendments to dual carriageways in our area. On the A31 heading towards Alton there are similar cases where the former two lane road has been reduced to single lane by inserting islands or build outs into what had been the fast lanes. I think it is a very dangerous practice - especially for those who drive open top cars or ride motor cycles.
Saw this on Facebook, posted by Car Throttle i think it was. Definitely a stupid move by the Morgan Driver. I'm really not sure what they were thinking They clearly thought that they could get up to the national speed limit from scratch as quick as a Nissan GTR!
However, i have mulled over this recently and as others have said on here, i do think this accident could have been avoided with a bit of forward thinking from Mr/Mrs Peugeot. That was a long stretch of straight road and the Pug driver was on that horn for quite some time. I'd say that they were very light on the brakes as apposed to spotting the hazard and reacting accordingly with a potential emergency stop. The speed they were travelling at could be some-what questionable too.
Regardless, i'd hope that it would ultimately be the Morgan having the finger pointed at for this.
However, i have mulled over this recently and as others have said on here, i do think this accident could have been avoided with a bit of forward thinking from Mr/Mrs Peugeot. That was a long stretch of straight road and the Pug driver was on that horn for quite some time. I'd say that they were very light on the brakes as apposed to spotting the hazard and reacting accordingly with a potential emergency stop. The speed they were travelling at could be some-what questionable too.
Regardless, i'd hope that it would ultimately be the Morgan having the finger pointed at for this.
Edited by culpz on Wednesday 19th April 12:24
saaby93 said:
Nope, pretty sure it is here - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3132296,-0.89077...Steet view hasn't yet been updated.
L500 said:
Nickyboy said:
The 50 road signs in the video say otherwise, it's not single lane either. You only have to look at the You Tube uploaders other video from the day of the Morgan crash and can see the clear dual carraigeway
Or live 2 minutes down the road... It's 100% a dual carriageway, reducing to a single carriageway right opposite the Antique place. Either way, it's a dangerous junction.Edited by Nickyboy on Tuesday 18th April 23:55
Challo said:
Why the danger only for open top cars or motorcycles?
Much less defence against a squirrel attack which, in turn, becomes much more likely when forced to travel at 40 instead of more safely at 60, where a squirrel's 'speed, time, distance' calculations become too complex for them. Challo said:
Eric Mc said:
L500 said:
I think it is a very dangerous practice - especially for those who drive open top cars or ride motor cycles.
Why the danger only for open top cars or motorcycles? Matthen said:
saaby93 said:
Nope, pretty sure it is here - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3132296,-0.89077...Steet view hasn't yet been updated.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3131093,-0.89078...
Looks much better layout
saaby93 said:
Matthen said:
saaby93 said:
Nope, pretty sure it is here - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3132296,-0.89077...Steet view hasn't yet been updated.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3131093,-0.89078...
Looks much better layout
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