RE: BMW M4 CS - official
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Evo magazine is saying this was only announced at the Shanghai show this morning, and that no pricing had been announced yet. Maybe they're scared of people laughing in their faces in Shanghai, so have used PH to take the flack!!
Also, wasn't there an E46 330i Club Sport first, possibly around 2002? https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=63...
Also, wasn't there an E46 330i Club Sport first, possibly around 2002? https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=63...
i always wonder with this type of car exactly who they are aiming at? Surely its too expensive/nice etc for a track day car enthusiast, its also probably too expensive and hardcore for anyone who's thinking about getting an M3 or M4 and i would imagine if someone had £100k spare for a car , they would probably want something a bit more special than a 3 series....
Roma101 said:
steakandchips said:
p1stonhead said:
Afford and 'willing' are not the same.
I have a 325d for sale for £1m. People can afford it. No one is willing. Its overpriced.
Overall though being overpriced is wholly subjective so no one is right apart from their own opinion. If they sell them all they obviously arent overpriced to those people. Most on here seem to think it is though.
The market will decide if the price is wrong or right, not people on here who would rather buy a different car for £90k. For what it's worth, I've got a M4 CP and I'm not sure that's even worth the money. I think I should have spent another £10k on a C63 S. I have a 325d for sale for £1m. People can afford it. No one is willing. Its overpriced.
Overall though being overpriced is wholly subjective so no one is right apart from their own opinion. If they sell them all they obviously arent overpriced to those people. Most on here seem to think it is though.
Carwow drag raced them a fews time at a runway - the video is on YouTube.
I was suprised the Merc was slowest as I thought it would have been the fastest but there you go...
Not that it matters in the slightest which is fastest, as they are all extremely fast, but interesting none the less.
BUT SHOCK HORROR PEOPLE ON THE PistonHeads Forum ARE GOING MAD AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICE OF THIS CAR.
Every single new car on the market is over priced and there are tens thousands of bleeding 'stating the obvious' posts on pistonheads.
That this car expensive is not a surprise. That people on PH go mad and complain about the price is much less of a surprise.
A Standard C63S Coupe is 70k, with options it will easily be same price as the M4 CS. This doesn't make the M4 good value [i still think its massively overpriced] but its on par with the Merc and will depreciate less.
Plus you could spend 80k on options alone on any Ferrari or Maclaren etc
Edited by D200 on Wednesday 19th April 14:26
davidcharles said:
i always wonder with this type of car exactly who they are aiming at? Surely its too expensive/nice etc for a track day car enthusiast, its also probably too expensive and hardcore for anyone who's thinking about getting an M3 or M4 and i would imagine if someone had £100k spare for a car , they would probably want something a bit more special than a 3 series....
Someone who will not use it and hope to get a bit of profit like some may do with say a GT3RS? Limited numbers, very easy money in some examples.p1stonhead said:
vz-r_dave said:
okgo said:
We are comparing a chav chariot like the Focus RS to a BMW M car?
I am not a Ford fan but surely you shouldn't be calling out the Focus RS as a chav chariot when you drive the Chav favourite S3.......
Perspective summed up.
Re the CS, everytime something new comes out to be reviewed on here there are usually a myriad of posts suggesting it is overpriced
We had it with the GTS, 911R etc
People are forgetting Rich_W's first rule of car values....
BMW must be reasonably happy with these limited editions sales, whether it's halo value or profits as they keep doing new ones
£90k doesn't represent good value to me. If it's a practical, everyday performance car you want then a M3/4 CP does the job equally well for a whole lot less. If it's something for the weekend then a 3/4 series BMW really isn't special enough for ninety grand. I can see these going the way of the current Focus RS and M2. A few will be flipped for a small profit to those wanting to avoid the waiting lists, but the fact is its not a limited production run and you can walk into a dealer and order one will mean most of those speculators will have their cars sat in the classifieds until they sell for just above the retail price.
p1stonhead said:
davidcharles said:
i always wonder with this type of car exactly who they are aiming at? Surely its too expensive/nice etc for a track day car enthusiast, its also probably too expensive and hardcore for anyone who's thinking about getting an M3 or M4 and i would imagine if someone had £100k spare for a car , they would probably want something a bit more special than a 3 series....
Someone who will not use it and hope to get a bit of profit like some may do with say a GT3RS? Limited numbers, very easy money in some examples.Maybe with a very few exceptions...the only relatively(!) recent BMW to make investment grade returns was the E30 M3 Sport Evolution.
Even the much lauded 1 Series M Coupe has held its list price....I don't think they've gone above that.. or not by much.
The CS looks to be a seriously nice piece of kit, but no way do those spec. improvements add up to the price premium over a Comp Pack
unpc said:
How much could I get a GT350 for in this country? I'd imagine less and far more fun with a proper engine. Probably have glacial depreciation by comparison too.
You don't get them in the UK so its a bit pointless comparing a car you can buy to a car you can't. And then using the car you cannot buys imaginary glacial deprecation as as reason to buy it?You could buy a 18 year old Subaru 22B with about 70,000 miles for the price of this BMW so are they competitors?
Or you could buy a Rolex Watch for the same
PH should have a group test
Throw in a flat too
M4 CS vs 22B vs Rolex vs a 1 bed flat lol
I think its as over priced as any other car Pistoneheads had a article about since 2006
D200 said:
M4 CS vs 22B vs Rolex vs a 1 bed flat lol
I think its as over priced as any other car Pistoneheads had a article about since 2006
hahahaI think its as over priced as any other car Pistoneheads had a article about since 2006
the thing is that you can't compare a 22B really as it wasn't overpriced as a new RRP
I think the 2 most overpriced cars since 2006 have probably been the M4 CS and the m4 gts
I've got a 2016 M3 Competition Pack, the CP adds 19BHP, it gets suspension tweaks and a few other bits and bobs, it cost £3k over the standard car, good value in my book that's why I went for the CP. With a few options I paid £55k for it brand new. I'm guessing now discounts have dropped and this being a bit more 'exclusive' there will be little or no discount on the CS initially, that makes it potentially £35k more than mine and that's before you add any toys, that's crazy money for an extra 10BHP and nicer rear lights. I think BMW have dropped a bit of a b
k with this one.
k with this one.WCZ said:
D200 said:
M4 CS vs 22B vs Rolex vs a 1 bed flat lol
I think its as over priced as any other car Pistoneheads had a article about since 2006
hahahaI think its as over priced as any other car Pistoneheads had a article about since 2006
the thing is that you can't compare a 22B really as it wasn't overpriced as a new RRP
I think the 2 most overpriced cars since 2006 have probably been the M4 CS and the m4 gts
There are hundreds of cars more over priced than either of them, haven't time to list them all but:
Every single Bentley, Aston Martin are much more overpriced than those M4's. And most non GT3 Porsche's. Except except the ones with made up irrelevant price list that you cant buy. Like the 911R which was listed at 140k or so but real price is about 500k
You would buy an M4 GTS and keep it for a couple years and sell it at a small profit. Whereas if you buy any Aston or Bentley etc you could loss 50-80k
You can spend over 50k on a A45 AMG with options or 80K on a Audi A6 Diesel or over 70k on a dreaded ph-hated 4 cylinder 718 Cayman and so on
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