Trade already marking down diesels
Discussion
treetops said:
Spoke to a well regarded sales manager the other day and he's already instructed his team to mark down diesel trade ins by further 15% minimum on rock bottom book value. Petrol enquiries are on the up apparently.
Is this the tip of the iceberg?
Anyone else heard similar?
So a sales person tells you this and it's the UKwide truth? I imagine he says that mostly when discussing a customers diesel px then whacks it up for wallet busting bookIs this the tip of the iceberg?
Anyone else heard similar?
My dad likes to remind me how cheap to run his new Fabia is because it costs zero to tax. He's not quite grasped the depreciation thing yet, or it having far more expensive tyres than mine, or the potentially ruinous costs of a new turbo or other diesel related bills. He's happy though.
I was only thinking today how long a diesel would last me doing mainly short trips around town before it started chucking out big bills. I reckon 2 years. If the Jazz doesn't make 15 years old it will be disappointing.
I was only thinking today how long a diesel would last me doing mainly short trips around town before it started chucking out big bills. I reckon 2 years. If the Jazz doesn't make 15 years old it will be disappointing.
Sa Calobra said:
Good. It'll mean less diesel cars trundling around doing silly low mileage polluting allowing other diesel drivers to continue using them elsewhere as always.
The fashion for diesel was ridiculous. The only issue is why isn't the government coming down hard on VW/Audi for the cheat emmissions?
Because they are all gaming the tests and governments don't want to slow the new car extravaganza.The fashion for diesel was ridiculous. The only issue is why isn't the government coming down hard on VW/Audi for the cheat emmissions?
MuscleSaloon said:
GrandAndrew said:
in truth the sales of diesels remain as strong as ever for both new and used vehicles.
And so they will. Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
ks.Even getting thrashed everywhere I get 35mpg out of a supermini with a 2L engine - an Ecoboost Fiesta (as a good example) will get 40+ without driving economically in my experience (and driving it just as hard).
V8A*ndy said:
Regarding my own TDi and the emissions scandal.
I was told a few months back "nobody will be wanting them" and he "would be doing me a favour". This was with reference to Diesel gate.
There are stories of VW salesmen doing this, when the customer is buying a new VW diesel!I was told a few months back "nobody will be wanting them" and he "would be doing me a favour". This was with reference to Diesel gate.
We aren't chipping anybody for diesel part exchanges at the second hand dealership i work for and Glass' guide doesn't seem to be dropping diesel values any more than usual either. Obviously i don't know what's going to happen in the near or distant future with regards to their values but everything seems normal to me at the moment.
treetops said:
The fact it's killing people and shown to be way worse for our health means the party really is over.
Saying it's fact doesn't make it fact.Fake news, eco-loon pressure groups, advocacy 'science', does not = truth.
Politicians/people are being conned in exactly the same way they were conned over CO2.
Not 1 single person has provably ever died/suffered from private diesel cars in the UK.
Keep quoting long since discredited zombie statistics from fake science/news about premature deaths, but it's based on a statistical model that predicts more deaths from diesel cars in the 1990s than actually occurred from all causes!
Krikkit said:
MuscleSaloon said:
GrandAndrew said:
in truth the sales of diesels remain as strong as ever for both new and used vehicles.
And so they will. Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
ks.Even getting thrashed everywhere I get 35mpg out of a supermini with a 2L engine - an Ecoboost Fiesta (as a good example) will get 40+ without driving economically in my experience (and driving it just as hard).
Employee chimp drives an HDi over the same route daily / weekly. First thing they do is disable the stop / start because they don't like it. They are running pretty much all day - they can't be bothered to turn them off for short stops, stuck in traffic etc. They will be doing 85 - 90 on the motorway sections if its clear. That will give well over 50 mpg average. Always. If they keep it a bit more sensible they will do a lot more. HDi goes in to dealer for a week for warranty work. 1.6 petrol loaner provided - reset trip computer Monday am - same driver, same route and distance. End of week 32.8 mpg on trip computer.
Couple of years ago I considered putting a couple of petrol Mazda 3 Skyactiv's on fleet - 2.0 petrol, low emissions, £30 road tax and supposedly very good on fuel. Had one for a week. No way was it going to give the economy.
I'm not a Diesel fan but you have to be realistic especially in business. Many commercial vehicles and SUV's on sale in the UK are not even available with a petrol engine. There's a reason for that.
MuscleSaloon said:
And so they will.
Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
What incentive other than the shear dullness of a 1.5 TDi do you need to swap out of it? Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
Markets always take time to turn down (or up). They are like a big ship. You slam it in reverse, but it keeps on sailing forward for a few miles until the momentum stops.
UK / EU authorities, health leaders and green pressure groups have all turned negative on diesel. It is only a matter of time before the vehicle industry caves in, accepts the inevitable, and follows suit.
Today is, more or less, peak-diesel.
UK / EU authorities, health leaders and green pressure groups have all turned negative on diesel. It is only a matter of time before the vehicle industry caves in, accepts the inevitable, and follows suit.
Today is, more or less, peak-diesel.
It's just a case of snide dealers looking to prey on the knee-jerkers who fear diesels will be banned by Christmas. It's nonsense.
In ten or fifteen years time, the market will look very different and there will be nothing like the amount of diesels on the road compared to now, but there are millions of diesels on the road now and they won't disappear overnight.
In ten or fifteen years time, the market will look very different and there will be nothing like the amount of diesels on the road compared to now, but there are millions of diesels on the road now and they won't disappear overnight.
Wills2 said:
MuscleSaloon said:
And so they will.
Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
What incentive other than the shear dullness of a 1.5 TDi do you need to swap out of it? Driven hard with mixed use I see 52 - 53 mpg average out of 1.5 or 1.6 HDi's. An alternative petrol vehicle gives me 20mpg less real world with exactly the same use. Not forgetting road tax has gone up just the same on petrol cars as it has on Diesel cars so no incentive there to switch either.
It is returning a ridiculous 60mpg average, in daily mixed driving, when I'm not pressing on too much.
Even if I do get my foot down a bit for a couple of days, it barely drops below 55mpg.
It's so stupidly economical that I've started using it at weekends instead of my other vehicles. You can go places and it just costs peanuts.
I now get the whole tiny modern Diesel engine thing.
Petrol engines just aren't good enough anymore, people expect 60+mpg and it will take a lot to talk then out of it.
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