I love my car, but worth dying for.....?
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My minter of a black A3 V6 was stolen a few years ago - was pretty peeved off at the time as they kicked my back door in [don't chortle please] when I was out one evening, but this story reminds me that I was probably fortunate and it's only a car. The payout was processed rather quickly even if it's a PITA to negotiate with the insurers.
Shakermaker said:
Jonmx said:
Sadly this is true. 'My client was in fear for his life when the angry man came after him and he just panicked, he deeply regrets his actions', will be the kind of b
ks the defence will push.
Whilst I agree this is bks the defence will push. ks, this kind of post seems relatively common and it irks me. Everyone forgets that the defence lawyer/solicitor/etc has to act to the best of their ability for their client. They can't go ahead and say "yeah, my client did it, and I'm not going to bother trying to defend them" - they have to properly apply their legal powers and they can't abuse it, but they can't just let their client go without any defence at all. Even if they know they are on a losing streak. It is their duty to the court to provide this. R8Steve said:
La Liga said:
Worth keeping an eye out for spray paint / other unusual markings outside your driveway.
I'm not as involved with organised crime in terms of two in one burglaries these days but that was what a few gangs across the country were doing.
So this is/was actually a thing?I'm not as involved with organised crime in terms of two in one burglaries these days but that was what a few gangs across the country were doing.
I started a thread questioning some unusual markings that had appeared on my drive a couple of years ago and got (perhaps quite rightfully) mocked for being concerned about them.
2Btoo said:
This is the most telling post of the thread. Where did the UK go so wrong?
I think it's fundamentally two things:1. Inequality in Britain. Wealthy people don't nick other people's stuff very often.
2. Proximity to Europe. If they're stolen to order, they can be on sale somewhere in Eastern Europe before the Police have put their hats on.
Also, terrible story. Hard to know how you'd react unless it happened but it's no less tragic.
La Liga said:
t was, yes. I'm not sure how prolific it was across the country and whether it still is used. Will they still do it if the police / people become aware?
I remember that doing the rounds and I'm still very sceptical. Is there any evidence it was true? Why would they risk so much to advertise it like that instead of just saying: it's the Audi S3 at number 29 Acacia Road?
wack said:
1/2 the problem is lenient sentences when they do catch them , I'm regularly astounded at the cop shows when Jamie theakston updates us with the sentences handed out after watching some scumbag drive at 80 in a 30 up the path and across parks to get away.
I sometimes think that the Sentencing Council is staffed by the Teletubbies ..... GhostWKD said:
Matt-il77s said:
But looking at the picture it's just a standard blue S3 - the insurance could replace it with another of the exact same very easily and quickly. Why risk it?
Playing devils advocate a little but isn't there a bit of a grey area with insurance if the car is taken with the keys? Not that I'd let that put me in harms way personally mind!durbster said:
La Liga said:
t was, yes. I'm not sure how prolific it was across the country and whether it still is used. Will they still do it if the police / people become aware?
I remember that doing the rounds and I'm still very sceptical. Is there any evidence it was true? Why would they risk so much to advertise it like that instead of just saying: it's the Audi S3 at number 29 Acacia Road?
Also, finding a specific house with just its address can be tricky, especially at night.
A terrible crime indeed, but not unexpected given the technology available that does not require the use of the car's key.
To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
WJNB said:
A terrible crime indeed, but not unexpected given the technology available that does not require the use of the car's key.
To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
Car wasn't parked on the street http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39690491To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
BBC News said:
Shouting was heard at about 03:00 BST on Sunday before Mr Samwell was found in a parking area at the rear of the house, in Chorlton-cum-Hardy.
WJNB said:
A terrible crime indeed, but not unexpected given the technology available that does not require the use of the car's key.
To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
The point is that to me and most normal people infact S3, Golf R etc are not "outlandish" cars, and do blend in perfectly well. Most people who don't know cars can't tell the difference these days between a Golf Bluemotion and a Golf R!!To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
Retail prices of around £30-£45k (Golf R boggo to top spec S3) are not very expensive given that you can easily spend double that on a diesel Volvo SUV... plus most are on cheap lease deals under £250 a month.
Thiefs only like them as they are quite common for the type of car/performance
Great for robberies and thefts as 99% are DSG, practical, generally blend in most of the time, and with part time 4WD and 300bhp are great getaway cars
Also for breakers as people buy the alloys, interiors, brakes, etc for their lower spec models or other project uses.
Not everyone can afford a half a million for a large detached house... typical director response
Does seem strange they target those cars quite so directly, loads of other fast stuff around, a lot of it is 4WD as well but they do seem fixated on them, In Cheshire there are millions of pounds worth parked on driveways (not mine 
) and not really hearing of many problems, the odd one stolen for export, one neighbour has a new Q7 and an M4 vert, not sure why an S3 is so risky.
I think a contingency plan should be made, along with lots of thought on deterrents if you get one, security lights, gates and bloody big dog.
) and not really hearing of many problems, the odd one stolen for export, one neighbour has a new Q7 and an M4 vert, not sure why an S3 is so risky.I think a contingency plan should be made, along with lots of thought on deterrents if you get one, security lights, gates and bloody big dog.
xjay1337 said:
WJNB said:
A terrible crime indeed, but not unexpected given the technology available that does not require the use of the car's key.
To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
The point is that to me and most normal people infact S3, Golf R etc are not "outlandish" cars, and do blend in perfectly well. Most people who don't know cars can't tell the difference these days between a Golf Bluemotion and a Golf R!!To the perpetrators his VERY expensive high performance car must have stood out like a sore thumb in what looks like a very ordinary suburban street of terraced houses. If you value your car & it's your pride & joy why would you want to leave it on the street? Out in all weathers, vulnerable to being keyed let alone nicked, a two-fingered salute to any jealous neighbour & a thief magnet to boot.
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
Retail prices of around £30-£45k (Golf R boggo to top spec S3) are not very expensive given that you can easily spend double that on a diesel Volvo SUV... plus most are on cheap lease deals under £250 a month.
Thiefs only like them as they are quite common for the type of car/performance
Great for robberies and thefts as 99% are DSG, practical, generally blend in most of the time, and with part time 4WD and 300bhp are great getaway cars
Also for breakers as people buy the alloys, interiors, brakes, etc for their lower spec models or other project uses.
Not everyone can afford a half a million for a large detached house... typical director response
caymanbill said:
This gang of reprobates where caught only last month:
http://news.met.police.uk/news/car-theft-gang-conv...
The ring leader was caught on CCTV in a Mcdonald's drive through in one of their nicked cars. Talk about low IQ.....
""Almost all of the houses that were burgled had uPVC front doors that had not been double locked, allowing the offenders to gain entry very quickly using simple tools."
“I would urge all householders to ensure that their front door is correctly locked at night - this means not only lifting the handle on a uPVC door, but also using the key to lock it. Unless it is locked with the key, the door remains vulnerable to the method employed by the criminals in this case."
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This is very important info re those doors/locks.http://news.met.police.uk/news/car-theft-gang-conv...
The ring leader was caught on CCTV in a Mcdonald's drive through in one of their nicked cars. Talk about low IQ.....
""Almost all of the houses that were burgled had uPVC front doors that had not been double locked, allowing the offenders to gain entry very quickly using simple tools."
“I would urge all householders to ensure that their front door is correctly locked at night - this means not only lifting the handle on a uPVC door, but also using the key to lock it. Unless it is locked with the key, the door remains vulnerable to the method employed by the criminals in this case."
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Edited by caymanbill on Monday 24th April 09:55
My parents had someone attempt this, luckily he gave up. Front door, broad daylight. My badly disabled dad was at home on his own.
I have fitted high security locks and a cheap CCTV and of course they now know to lock the door fully.
Edited by SlimJim16v on Monday 24th April 17:41
Terrible news. And it's an unfortunate fact that to these criminals, life is cheap. I know many people who have had keys stolen from the house both quietly and violently. A friend had an S3 car jacked a couple of weeks ago.
I'd urge anyone not to confront these people for a car (if your family or self are directly at risk then It's different, then you have to fight, and understand that it's going to be a brutal fight) - they live a life most of us can't comprehend. They are armed, there's always 4 or so of them all of whom are comfortable with levels of violence that we would have to be in a life and death situation to engage in. I'm sure when the poor chap stood in front of the car, he had no expectation that they would happily kill him, but they will risk it in the blink of an eye.
Try and keep them out of your house, this is the best defence. If they do get in, try and get them out without violence (give them the keys to keep them from searching the rooms that your wife or kids are in after they've taken care of you with crow bars and knives).
I know it sounds grim, but these people are not like most of us.
I'd urge anyone not to confront these people for a car (if your family or self are directly at risk then It's different, then you have to fight, and understand that it's going to be a brutal fight) - they live a life most of us can't comprehend. They are armed, there's always 4 or so of them all of whom are comfortable with levels of violence that we would have to be in a life and death situation to engage in. I'm sure when the poor chap stood in front of the car, he had no expectation that they would happily kill him, but they will risk it in the blink of an eye.
Try and keep them out of your house, this is the best defence. If they do get in, try and get them out without violence (give them the keys to keep them from searching the rooms that your wife or kids are in after they've taken care of you with crow bars and knives).
I know it sounds grim, but these people are not like most of us.
J4CKO said:
Does seem strange they target those cars quite so directly, loads of other fast stuff around, a lot of it is 4WD as well but they do seem fixated on them, In Cheshire there are millions of pounds worth parked on driveways (not mine ) and not really hearing of many problems, the odd one stolen for export, one neighbour has a new Q7 and an M4 vert, not sure why an S3 is so risky..
I think it's smaller 5 door, fairly discreet, very hot hatches that they are after. I know 'get away' car sounds dramatic, but they're cars they can jump in and out of quickly, not stand out, and travel quickly without huge skill. Drugs dealing? Robbery? Then sell the car to dodgy breakers / exporters for £500.) and not really hearing of many problems, the odd one stolen for export, one neighbour has a new Q7 and an M4 vert, not sure why an S3 is so risky..WJNB said:
Sometimes it pays to blend in & maybe wait until you can afford a large detached house with sophisticated security before buying flash motors.
It's nice to have worked hard and bought yourself a present, as long as you are not a slave to keeping up with the Jones, but when I had my last car for it's last few years and it had virtually no material value, it was quite liberating
In a strange way I feel sorry for the burglar. The man they arrested is 21 and really should have his life ahead of him and be full of dreams and ambition, but for what ever reason, he chose a life of crime and will now likely spend the rest of his life in jail for what was a burglary of a car, that maybe had he grafted and applied himself he could have earned, or at least lived an honest life knowing he couldn't afford one, but was thankful for what he could afford.
2 lives wasted.
LewG said:
If that was my pride and joy being pinched on the drive I'd defend it with everything I had, there's right and wrong and they've made the choice. A great shame that something so awful ended up happening to this chap, I hope the scum well and truly pay the price for their actions
And what do you have ? You have been woken up etc. they are fully charged up and do it many times. They have a plan. You "might" .You might be a black belt, but could you bite a mans ear off. Or put a knife across their face . OR spray acid on them etc ? Because you know , thats not "defence" you where in no danger . You want to enter the ring with guys that will have a lot more experience and are going to go a lot further than you may expect .Also , are you leaving the family inside to watch you die or be karted away to intensive care ? Use the brains to do more to stop them /reduce them etc with good security . If they want the keys let them have them, shout down where they are. Dont keep them with you . Love life more than a silly car .Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff