RE: Honda claims new Civic Type R Nurburgring record
Discussion
havoc said:
(Mike - OE rubber on the FK2 was ContiSport 6's, which by all accounts aren't as sticky as the Clubsport-S's rubber...have you any info on the respective tyres for the laps you mention?)
My 8min12sec lap in my Focus RS was on Michelin PilotSport Cup2s as was the Sport Auto Focus RS lap. Generally, they do the lap on the 'track' oriented tyre if there's one available from the manufacturer. In the case of the Civic, I believe it's on the standard OE tyre which, theoretically, the Honda official time should be on (but probably isn't), otherwise you may as well just bolt on some slicks....Joeguard1990 said:
Nonsense, cage or no cage, I'd still give it 100% at a track day. You have to assume you won't have an accident!
Have you been to the Ring because when it goes wrong there it's never really a small accident if you're truly going balls to the wall.https://youtu.be/nw_rngND3LA
I'm a fan of the new Type R and I think it will look great once someone creates either front/rear bumper ducts to replace those fake plastic grilles (which don't look good at all), or comes out with a front and rear bumper body kit to make it all come together. The rest of the design is really nice and I even like the 3 exhaust pipes due to the fact that they actually have a purposeful function.
Durzel said:
Even if they offered it in "track spec" there would still be all kinds of optimisations and bespoke tuning done for this specific circuit, some of which would be obvious to anyone doing this sort of thing, other stuff that would be need to know basis. The team of engineers Honda would send to the circuit with the car wouldn't be there for a jolly...
Didn't Seat or VW add a Nurburgring setting to the driver modes for the production version of the record breaking car to capture those settings? A production car record should be a production car you can buy.ZX10R NIN said:
Joeguard1990 said:
Nonsense, cage or no cage, I'd still give it 100% at a track day. You have to assume you won't have an accident!
Have you been to the Ring because when it goes wrong there it's never really a small accident if you're truly going balls to the wall.https://youtu.be/nw_rngND3LA
tankplanker said:
idn't Seat or VW add a Nurburgring setting to the driver modes for the production version of the record breaking car to capture those settings? A production car record should be a production car you can buy.
You can turn on the VAQ diff "Nurburgring" setting on the Cupra but only via VCDS its called "Strong"
AJB88 said:
tankplanker said:
idn't Seat or VW add a Nurburgring setting to the driver modes for the production version of the record breaking car to capture those settings? A production car record should be a production car you can buy.
You can turn on the VAQ diff "Nurburgring" setting on the Cupra but only via VCDS its called "Strong"
That's also know as XDS.
I believe the Cupra has a proper electro-mechanical LSD like the Golf GTI with the PP.
I might be alone, but I think this new Civic looks great, especially from the cover image, the rear is a slightly different story, just always reverse park it!
I wonder what the reasoning for such massive alloys is? Anyone with some decent knowledge care to answer? I thought rubber band tyres were beginning to fall back out of fashion again, as people want some comfort on our wonderful uk roads. Is it a performance thing? Or purely a cosmetic one? It makes the brakes look tiny!
I wonder what the reasoning for such massive alloys is? Anyone with some decent knowledge care to answer? I thought rubber band tyres were beginning to fall back out of fashion again, as people want some comfort on our wonderful uk roads. Is it a performance thing? Or purely a cosmetic one? It makes the brakes look tiny!
I think the ring lap time method is a good measure of the cars performance against other equivalent hatches, and therefore useful tool if you are in the market for one. Of course it's pub talk, but if it's capable of such performance you know it's got to be one of the best. Incredible time, well done Honda. I wonder if Renault can crack this with the new Megane RS? Time will tell!
Nanook said:
Well, that's just wrong.
It would be very easy to provide a mounting solution for a roll cage where the cage itself is very stiff and strong, to allow it to function properly, yet is bolted to an anti-vibration/shock mount or rubber bushing that isolates it from the chassis, to provide the relevant safety aspect without impacting the torsional stiffness of the standard car.
I agree. It would be very easy to provide a mounting solution for a roll cage where the cage itself is very stiff and strong, to allow it to function properly, yet is bolted to an anti-vibration/shock mount or rubber bushing that isolates it from the chassis, to provide the relevant safety aspect without impacting the torsional stiffness of the standard car.
rastapasta said:
did subaru not do this a couple of years ago with Tommi Makinen or am i way off?? I know they did the Isle of Man
Yes they did. He utterly man handled the car throughout the entire lap. Even a couple of missed gear changes involving a serious over rev in one case. All in all he bent the car to his will. Amusing watching.AJB88 said:
You can turn on the VAQ diff "Nurburgring" setting on the Cupra but only via VCDS its called "Strong"
It must be the Golf I'm thinking off then as it was a hidden driver mode that didn't need VCDS to enable it, just some weird button combo. I think PH covered it when they reviewed the Golf?xjay1337 said:
Works quite well but sure eats brake pads
That's also know as XDS.
I believe the Cupra has a proper electro-mechanical LSD like the Golf GTI with the PP.
XDS was on the MK5 platform, MQB has the VAQ system (think it also still has XDS)That's also know as XDS.
I believe the Cupra has a proper electro-mechanical LSD like the Golf GTI with the PP.
Was one of the first things I changed on VCDS when had the Cupra new.
AW111 said:
Nanook said:
Well, that's just wrong.
It would be very easy to provide a mounting solution for a roll cage where the cage itself is very stiff and strong, to allow it to function properly, yet is bolted to an anti-vibration/shock mount or rubber bushing that isolates it from the chassis, to provide the relevant safety aspect without impacting the torsional stiffness of the standard car.
I agree. It would be very easy to provide a mounting solution for a roll cage where the cage itself is very stiff and strong, to allow it to function properly, yet is bolted to an anti-vibration/shock mount or rubber bushing that isolates it from the chassis, to provide the relevant safety aspect without impacting the torsional stiffness of the standard car.
RacerMike said:
havoc said:
(Mike - OE rubber on the FK2 was ContiSport 6's, which by all accounts aren't as sticky as the Clubsport-S's rubber...have you any info on the respective tyres for the laps you mention?)
My 8min12sec lap in my Focus RS was on Michelin PilotSport Cup2s as was the Sport Auto Focus RS lap. Generally, they do the lap on the 'track' oriented tyre if there's one available from the manufacturer. In the case of the Civic, I believe it's on the standard OE tyre which, theoretically, the Honda official time should be on (but probably isn't), otherwise you may as well just bolt on some slicks....I was wondering about the lap recorded by the German guy you mention, as I THINK all customer cars were sold with ContiSport 6's on, which will lose a fair few seconds around the 'ring to more optimised rubber...that difference in tyres could account for a chunk of the difference between his time and Honda's "official" time.
FWIW, I'm skeptical too - don't like all these manufacturer shenanigans - but want to make sure we're comparing apples with apples...
havoc said:
The article quotes this new time as being on track-oriented road-legal rubber, so probably (broadly) comparable to Cup-2's...not sure about the old car's official time, probably the same.
I was wondering about the lap recorded by the German guy you mention, as I THINK all customer cars were sold with ContiSport 6's on, which will lose a fair few seconds around the 'ring to more optimised rubber...that difference in tyres could account for a chunk of the difference between his time and Honda's "official" time.
FWIW, I'm skeptical too - don't like all these manufacturer shenanigans - but want to make sure we're comparing apples with apples...
Why not bolt on a set of Dunlop Direzza 03g, would be quite significantly more grip than Cup 2s.I was wondering about the lap recorded by the German guy you mention, as I THINK all customer cars were sold with ContiSport 6's on, which will lose a fair few seconds around the 'ring to more optimised rubber...that difference in tyres could account for a chunk of the difference between his time and Honda's "official" time.
FWIW, I'm skeptical too - don't like all these manufacturer shenanigans - but want to make sure we're comparing apples with apples...
And still road legal
Jesus, Honda need to employ some new design staff.
Was one of the first things I changed on VCDS when had the Cupra new.MK5s don't have XDS. It just has EDL up to 25mph.
AJB88 said:
xjay1337 said:
Works quite well but sure eats brake pads
That's also know as XDS.
I believe the Cupra has a proper electro-mechanical LSD like the Golf GTI with the PP.
XDS was on the MK5 platform, MQB has the VAQ system (think it also still has XDS)That's also know as XDS.
I believe the Cupra has a proper electro-mechanical LSD like the Golf GTI with the PP.
Was one of the first things I changed on VCDS when had the Cupra new.
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