RE: Honda claims new Civic Type R Nurburgring record
Discussion
AJB88 said:
Sorry when I talk about MK5 I mean stuff based on the MK5 platform.
My MK2 Leon Cupra R had XDS which is MK5 platform based.
Ah OK. Must be MK6 that got it then. You had me there for a minute as I thought VW had short changed me on my MK5!My MK2 Leon Cupra R had XDS which is MK5 platform based.
I wonder if it can be retrofitted..... won't need to bother with a Quaife/Peloquin/Wavetrac diff then!
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Ah OK. Must be MK6 that got it then. You had me there for a minute as I thought VW had short changed me on my MK5!
I wonder if it can be retrofitted..... won't need to bother with a Quaife/Peloquin/Wavetrac diff then!
Probably can be but would cost ££££ just fit a LSD.I wonder if it can be retrofitted..... won't need to bother with a Quaife/Peloquin/Wavetrac diff then!
On my LCR I had XDS on strong and a Quaife LSD as well.
xjay1337 said:
havoc said:
The article quotes this new time as being on track-oriented road-legal rubber, so probably (broadly) comparable to Cup-2's...not sure about the old car's official time, probably the same.
I was wondering about the lap recorded by the German guy you mention, as I THINK all customer cars were sold with ContiSport 6's on, which will lose a fair few seconds around the 'ring to more optimised rubber...that difference in tyres could account for a chunk of the difference between his time and Honda's "official" time.
FWIW, I'm skeptical too - don't like all these manufacturer shenanigans - but want to make sure we're comparing apples with apples...
Why not bolt on a set of Dunlop Direzza 03g, would be quite significantly more grip than Cup 2s.I was wondering about the lap recorded by the German guy you mention, as I THINK all customer cars were sold with ContiSport 6's on, which will lose a fair few seconds around the 'ring to more optimised rubber...that difference in tyres could account for a chunk of the difference between his time and Honda's "official" time.
FWIW, I'm skeptical too - don't like all these manufacturer shenanigans - but want to make sure we're comparing apples with apples...
And still road legal
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2013-Auto-Bil...
vz-r_dave said:
Are you seriously questioning why manufactures compete in terms of lap times? A marketing USP...... its their halo performance hatch, it matters how fast they are, especially if they are beating their competitors.
Why so many ridiculous statements today.
No, not at all. As a development location it's great and probably best represents real roads.Why so many ridiculous statements today.
Any time around 8 mins is going to feel really fast there, even 9 or 10 mins would be to 'ordinary' folk. Especially if you drove it yourself.
I'm trying to get at how much difference this data really makes for sales.
It's a genuine question, I have no idea what sales data would reveal about publicity like this.
Speaking for myself in this instance, if it were between this and an aesthetically more pleasing car that could give an as good or better driver experience (albeit marginally slower) it wouldn't sway me, between their old model and this there's a 1.47% decrease in lap time.
Might there possibly be other ways to more positively impact sales, like some Italian derived design flair for example?
In regards to engineering these cars and all of their similar peers are quite brilliant but separated profoundly by the presence (or not) of good styling.
It's a tremendous achievement for Honda. Seeing off the monetary might of VAG is no mean feat. One suspects that however well Honda or Renault do at the Nurburgring, Volkswagen will not hesitate to spend some more development cash and hash together a new 'special edition' to trump the competition. My hat comes off to Honda. I really like the wild, touring car-esque appearance of this new Type R. The FK2 was a pretty wild looking thing in person, but this is another step wilder again.
great_kahn said:
Pretty sure the driver was under contract for £1 per steering input. Honda are gonna have to shift a few of these to claw back the 2 million quid they paid the driver for this lap.
Sawing away like a good 'un, Ha. Me and Kahn would have been in debit by the end of a lap we're that silky smooth.
Bull**** as****. No one likes the fake records here.
Looks like someone other than myself put more than a hundred grand under the hood of their Honda for race wars. At least I never claimed mine was stock!
Definitely not fair for an OEM to load up on "road legal, track focused tyres" and who knows what else (Motec system exhaust perhaps?) at Harry's and then claim production spec.
Production record? Set it in a production car.....
Looks like someone other than myself put more than a hundred grand under the hood of their Honda for race wars. At least I never claimed mine was stock!
Definitely not fair for an OEM to load up on "road legal, track focused tyres" and who knows what else (Motec system exhaust perhaps?) at Harry's and then claim production spec.
Production record? Set it in a production car.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...
Has the GTR down as 7:43.65 here.
Has the GTR down as 7:43.65 here.
Nanook said:
Is it?
I googled it, and found a 2012 GTR time of 7:19. And in 2009 it was doing 7:27s.
I googled it, and found a 2012 GTR time of 7:19. And in 2009 it was doing 7:27s.
Vyse said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...
Has the GTR down as 7:43.65 here.
The 7:43 GTR was a third-party lap, so probably a truer time for a production spec car. The other quoted GTR times were the official factory test times, so probably just as hooky as the Honda lap.Has the GTR down as 7:43.65 here.
Nanook said:
Is it?
I googled it, and found a 2012 GTR time of 7:19. And in 2009 it was doing 7:27s.
I googled it, and found a 2012 GTR time of 7:19. And in 2009 it was doing 7:27s.
RacerMike said:
In fairness, I didn't hold back on my lap, and didn't have a cage. I (perhaps stupidly) trust myself not to crash....
I'm not saying you didn't push, but in the corporate world where Honda/VW etc could be sued from here to high heaven if they didn't provide them, there are plenty of racers who have crashed at tracks where they've driven on regularly.If you are pushing 100% over a period of time at some point you will come a cropper be it a failure or driver/rider error.
ZX10R NIN said:
RacerMike said:
In fairness, I didn't hold back on my lap, and didn't have a cage. I (perhaps stupidly) trust myself not to crash....
I'm not saying you didn't push, but in the corporate world where Honda/VW etc could be sued from here to high heaven if they didn't provide them, there are plenty of racers who have crashed at tracks where they've driven on regularly.If you are pushing 100% over a period of time at some point you will come a cropper be it a failure or driver/rider error.
And you've never had an off?
I've ridden lots of high powered bikes on tracks & have come off on a few occasions.
As I've said earlier VW had a cage & an optimised car (whatever that means) all of them seem to do it now the last true FWD Production time actually belongs to the Megane & that had a cage as standard.
I've ridden lots of high powered bikes on tracks & have come off on a few occasions.
As I've said earlier VW had a cage & an optimised car (whatever that means) all of them seem to do it now the last true FWD Production time actually belongs to the Megane & that had a cage as standard.
lemmingjames said:
jon- said:
Anyone know what tyres it was run on? I've not had a press release from any of the big manufacturers so maybe a Toyo or Nankang?! (total guess)
linglongs
Saw the standard new Civic down Tesco's car park last week and had to check twice that wasn't the R, it is so aggressive. Only two tailpipes though.
The new one will look epic, a proper hot hatch, rather than the countless and utterly anodyne Golf R's that look like the TDi with FOUR, count them, FOUR tailpipes for no reason whatever. I'd like mine in grey please, metallic of course, so it sparkles.
I'd rather be offended, or offend, than be bored or bore them to death.
Having said that I am looking forward to the mark 8 Golf which has a new LED shape in the front headlights. Fap fap fap.
The new one will look epic, a proper hot hatch, rather than the countless and utterly anodyne Golf R's that look like the TDi with FOUR, count them, FOUR tailpipes for no reason whatever. I'd like mine in grey please, metallic of course, so it sparkles.
I'd rather be offended, or offend, than be bored or bore them to death.
Having said that I am looking forward to the mark 8 Golf which has a new LED shape in the front headlights. Fap fap fap.
Edited by Gandahar on Monday 24th April 18:06
I think this looks funky and as others have pointed out, not the mundane German design where everyone looks exactly the same.
Funny how no one has pointed out that VW may have tweaked the clubsport at the ring. The 9th gen was quick but this seems insanely quick for a hot hatch. Love to see focus rs vs a45 vs rs3 vs ctr vs clubsport...
Funny how no one has pointed out that VW may have tweaked the clubsport at the ring. The 9th gen was quick but this seems insanely quick for a hot hatch. Love to see focus rs vs a45 vs rs3 vs ctr vs clubsport...
Anything different or unfamiliar is branded as ugly to begin with. Once we have acclimatised to seeing them everywhere it will cease to jar. I think this would look very mean in black. And to say it will be ugly because you've seen the base car on the road is overly simplistic - it's amazing what a decent stance/wheels can do to any car. The only problem I have with the styling of the cooking models is they sit far too high.
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