RE: Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) : Review
Discussion
Very good review! I enjoyed the beginning about people moaning, it is very boring reading the same bits over and over about them being limited supply, usually from people who wouldnt buy one anyway.
I never heard of anyone complaining when other manufacturers build limited run cars (Ferrari, Lambo, even lower makes like Ford or Renault) so why is it suddenly evil that Porsche are making some?
As for the car, it looks fantastic, I can't wait to get mu hands on one.
I never heard of anyone complaining when other manufacturers build limited run cars (Ferrari, Lambo, even lower makes like Ford or Renault) so why is it suddenly evil that Porsche are making some?
As for the car, it looks fantastic, I can't wait to get mu hands on one.
Dave Hedgehog said:
RedTrident said:
I'm just happy cars like this are still being made.
why porsche have engineered them into a commodities market for dealers and flippers to make huge profits on
normal buyers have sod all chance of getting one
utterly pointless
Dusty964 said:
That never stopped the F40 being praised so highly though, did it?
Ferrari made as many F40's at the time as they could sell well exceeding the '400' run of the car to go on and make over 1300, which was a massive number at that point in history for a car costing so much, so at the time if you had the money you could probably get one.and this is a GT3, not even an RS or an ultra limited GT2
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 27th April 09:44
So...here we are again.
PH - a word of advice. Try not to belittle your readers.
Oh, and it is not a conspiracy theory as you suggest. It is fact.
Good to see that Porsche listened to its customers regarding the manual. They must have a very special relationship.
PH - a word of advice. Try not to belittle your readers.
Oh, and it is not a conspiracy theory as you suggest. It is fact.
Good to see that Porsche listened to its customers regarding the manual. They must have a very special relationship.
Edited by Roma101 on Thursday 27th April 10:09
Dusty964 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
RedTrident said:
I'm just happy cars like this are still being made.
why porsche have engineered them into a commodities market for dealers and flippers to make huge profits on
normal buyers have sod all chance of getting one
utterly pointless
British Beef said:
Out of all those "potential buyers" pissed off at not getting one, how many are driven to buy one by the likelihood of it appreciating vs its actual drive?
Would MOST of them be so keen to buy if it depreciated like a regular car - I bet not!!!!
But of course they will claim their desire to buy one is purely to own the ultimate drivers porsche B***sh*t !!!!
It is an interesting point that you raise and it would be good to hear from those who have missed out. Would MOST of them be so keen to buy if it depreciated like a regular car - I bet not!!!!
But of course they will claim their desire to buy one is purely to own the ultimate drivers porsche B***sh*t !!!!
Edited by British Beef on Thursday 27th April 08:40
If you are rich enough to buy one in the first place, does making a quick £75k profit have any meaning to you? If you are not that rich and can just about scrape enough together to buy the car in the first place, is this a motivator?
I think that if you are a car enthusiast and you are rich enough to have a nice collection and be in a position to buy these cars new, then the appreciation is just a cherry on top and not a deciding factor. If you are not a car enthusiast, then it may be different.
Dan Trent said:
Durzel said:
Don't quite get the need to dedicate 3 paragraphs to attacking the readership the article is hoping to get attention from...
The stage managed availability of cars like this is a problem and it's not unreasonable for people who just want to be able to buy and enjoy these cars to moan about having to suffer the ridiculous market dynamics.
At this end of the market Porsche seems to be in the business of releasing new investment assets every year rather than selling cars to people who want to be able to enjoy them for what they are.
Well I hope you read the article through to the end! The stage managed availability of cars like this is a problem and it's not unreasonable for people who just want to be able to buy and enjoy these cars to moan about having to suffer the ridiculous market dynamics.
At this end of the market Porsche seems to be in the business of releasing new investment assets every year rather than selling cars to people who want to be able to enjoy them for what they are.
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 27th April 01:06
But the main thing is the point has been made again and again ... and again and I must confess I'm rather bored of it dominating ANY discussion of the car itself. Which is what I wanted this review to concentrate on. It IS a valid debate and one I'll happily revisit perhaps a year down the line when the initial hype has subsided, the orders have shaken out and (experience shows) the situation often calms down somewhat. If at that point OPCs are each holding a couple of GT3s with delivery miles and a massive mark-up having been freshly traded in by evil flippers then the indignation may be justified. But let's see how it plays out, eh?
Cheers,
Dan
I note that the GT4 bubble hasn't quite burst yet. There are 17 GT4s on the Porsche GB website. That is exactly the same number as normal 981 Caymans, the same number of 981 Cayman Ss and 4 more than the number of 981 GTSs. That seems to me to be a disproportionately high number of GT4s given the mass production of those other models and limited number of GT4s. The price range of the GT4s is from £87k to £100k. However, perhaps Porsche are just being picky with their trade ins and don't want to take lowly Caymans and Cayman Ss
Roma101 said:
Well, why didn't you just write about the car then and not say anything about the 'moaners' or the system? Adding fuel to the fire?
I note that the GT4 bubble hasn't quite burst yet. There are 17 GT4s on the Porsche GB website. That is exactly the same number as normal 981 Caymans, the same number of 981 Cayman Ss and 4 more than the number of 981 GTSs. That seems to me to be a disproportionately high number of GT4s given the mass production of those other models and limited number of GT4s. The price range of the GT4s is from £87k to £100k. However, perhaps Porsche are just being picky with their trade ins and don't want to take lowly Caymans and Cayman Ss
Because when I did that (the Geneva unveiling story and Preuninger interview) the thread got totally overwhelmed and anyone wanting to actually talk about the car got shouted down in the fury about the perceived injustice of the sales distribution. I note that the GT4 bubble hasn't quite burst yet. There are 17 GT4s on the Porsche GB website. That is exactly the same number as normal 981 Caymans, the same number of 981 Cayman Ss and 4 more than the number of 981 GTSs. That seems to me to be a disproportionately high number of GT4s given the mass production of those other models and limited number of GT4s. The price range of the GT4s is from £87k to £100k. However, perhaps Porsche are just being picky with their trade ins and don't want to take lowly Caymans and Cayman Ss
As I say, I'll not dispute there's a conversation to be had about that. I'd just beg indulgence we talk about the car for now!
Cheers!
Dan
"The weight and response are very good by EPAS standards and the calibration very smart but the more flowing, natural feel of the 996 and 997-era cars is long gone. It's as good as you could hope for though."
No, it isn't. EPAS is completely unnecessary - and purely a political stance: like smaller-engined F1 cars.
A car like this is not built for economy or environmental friendliness. Ruining the steering to save noone-cares-how-much-mpg is ridiculous.
It's hypocrisy. Any reasonably intelligent person knows that this car is not a good choice, environmentally - EPAS changes that not a jot. When you buy one of these - I assume - you put that to one side because 'I really want one'. I totally understand that and would do the same. What I wouldn't do is deny the reality, nor would I pretend to be concerned about it's environmental impact and nor would I feel a little bit better because it had EPAS.
No, it isn't. EPAS is completely unnecessary - and purely a political stance: like smaller-engined F1 cars.
A car like this is not built for economy or environmental friendliness. Ruining the steering to save noone-cares-how-much-mpg is ridiculous.
It's hypocrisy. Any reasonably intelligent person knows that this car is not a good choice, environmentally - EPAS changes that not a jot. When you buy one of these - I assume - you put that to one side because 'I really want one'. I totally understand that and would do the same. What I wouldn't do is deny the reality, nor would I pretend to be concerned about it's environmental impact and nor would I feel a little bit better because it had EPAS.
Dan Trent said:
Because when I did that (the Geneva unveiling story and Preuninger interview) the thread got totally overwhelmed and anyone wanting to actually talk about the car got shouted down in the fury about the perceived injustice of the sales distribution.
As I say, I'll not dispute there's a conversation to be had about that. I'd just beg indulgence we talk about the car for now!
Cheers!
Dan
So why do you not do some Investigative journalism on the Porsche and their sales distribution? I think I have never seen any car news outlet done any snooping around Porsche and their sales structure. As I say, I'll not dispute there's a conversation to be had about that. I'd just beg indulgence we talk about the car for now!
Cheers!
Dan
KJH said:
So why do you not do some Investigative journalism on the Porsche and their sales distribution? I think I have never seen any car news outlet done any snooping around Porsche and their sales structure.
Because that doesn't sound as fun, interesting or entertaining to write about as skidding a GT3 round Anglesey? The video would be pretty dull too. Dan
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