Diesel v Tory intentions.

[edward1]

In terms of the government response to the issue of pollution in cities it will really come down to whether they really want to tackle the problem or use it as a basis to stimulate one sector of the economy.

The last scrappage scheme was dressed up as being green and encouraging people to buy supposed less polluting (in terms of the pollutant of the day CO2) vehicles to save the planet. The reality was they wanted to stimulate the motor industry and be seen to be doing something they could dress up as a bit green.

If they really cared they would not focus things like the T tax only on older vehicles when there is mounting real world data that shows that the newer cars do not meet the various euro V, VI targets either and are pretty much just as bad.

If city centers are the issue then they should focus on getting all taxis/buses etc to be electric. Invest in a charging network and have a targeted scrappage scheme or retrofit (which would be generally greener) scheme for these vehicles.

For new vehicles a punitive tax on which ever fuel is out of fashion I see is acceptable as we all have a choice when buying new and this would also drive technology. For existing vehicles gradual tax changes over 5-10 years again would be an acceptable policy in my view and better for the planet than suddenly encouraging good serviceable vehicles to be dumped.

The trouble is our politicians want policies that will grab the headlines and win them votes. Joined up logical thinking for the longer term isn't their strong point.

[2Btoo]

R8VBV said:

I look forward to the banning of cars over a certain age in central London. This will then be adopted by other city's and eventually diesels values will fall off a cliff along with their existence.

Thanks for this buddy.

Tell me, should I sell my P&J (classic pork) and wife's DS now or later on when the ban comes in? Yes, I live in London.

[TooMany2cvs]

2Btoo said:

R8VBV said:

I look forward to the banning of cars over a certain age in central London. This will then be adopted by other city's and eventually diesels values will fall off a cliff along with their existence.

Thanks for this buddy.

Tell me, should I sell my P&J (classic pork) and wife's DS now or later on when the ban comes in? Yes, I live in London.

If they're over 40yo, then you won't need to. Historic Vehicles (with the VED definition) will be exempt.

[2Btoo]

Thanks, I didn't know they were offering that exemption.

DS will be OK by a bit of a margin. Porsche won't be - it's 1989. Yes, that means it would be VED-free if they kept it rolling, as they said they would .....

[TooMany2cvs]

2Btoo said:

DS will be OK by a bit of a margin.

I hoped you meant a proper DS, not one of those modern now-with-wings things.

[Plymo]

How much pollution do diesel cars actually produce compared to everything else... Right now I'm on a small ship going up and down a river right next to a city, with about 2,000hp of diesel engines spewing out all sorts of crap. All the generators, tugs, ferries and warships are diesel (or worse, bunker fuel!) and there are no real alternatives. I'm not convinced some relatively clean diesel cars are the real issue

[funkyrobot]

Looks like the diesel scrappage scheme is going ahead. It's been all over Sky this morning:

http://news.sky.com/story/air-pollution-plan-diese...

[OddCat]

heebeegeetee said:

Stroll on,

Now there is an expression I haven't heard for years ! Top man !!

[ZX10R NIN]

It's not just for Diesels it's for Petrols too so your E46 M3's are now going to be classed as pollution cars along with (in my case) CLK55 basically they're talking about vehicles from 2006 maybe 2009 onwards they're also looking at the year rather than the fuel, everyone is assuming it'll be diesel only but it's not going to be the case.

So your E30 BMW Clio 172 182 Megane RS MX5 S2000 RX7 Supra M5 RS6 etc all under threat so don't start rejoicing to quickly

[Roger Irrelevant]

ZX10R NIN said:

It's not just for Diesels it's for Petrols too so your E46 M3's are now going to be classed as pollution cars along with (in my case) CLK55 basically they're talking about vehicles from 2006 maybe 2009 onwards they're also looking at the year rather than the fuel, everyone is assuming it'll be diesel only but it's not going to be the case.

So your E30 BMW Clio 172 182 Megane RS MX5 S2000 RX7 Supra M5 RS6 etc all under threat so don't start rejoicing to quickly

Au contraire, I'd love to have the option of an above-market value cash bung for my older petrol car. As somebody who's never bought a diesel, and has thus paid a fair bit more in VED and fuel costs than if I had, I feel I'm at least as deserving of a bit of a sweetener as the diesel lot. Anyway, where are you getting your info from - I can only find stuff that says it'll be a diesel scrappage scheme?

[Zetec-S]

ZX10R NIN said:

It's not just for Diesels it's for Petrols too so your E46 M3's are now going to be classed as pollution cars along with (in my case) CLK55 basically they're talking about vehicles from 2006 maybe 2009 onwards they're also looking at the year rather than the fuel, everyone is assuming it'll be diesel only but it's not going to be the case.

So your E30 BMW Clio 172 182 Megane RS MX5 S2000 RX7 Supra M5 RS6 etc all under threat so don't start rejoicing to quickly

Exactly

I've never understood why petrolheads are so keen to dance on the grave of diesel. Even if the eco warriors get their way and get rid of diesel completely, they wont just pack up and go home. Petrol will be next...

[otolith]

On Radio 4 earlier today it was being emphasised that the scrappage proposal is only a consultation, and that the Treasury aren't happy about it.

[ZX10R NIN]

Roger Irrelevant said:

Au contraire, I'd love to have the option of an above-market value cash bung for my older petrol car. As somebody who's never bought a diesel, and has thus paid a fair bit more in VED and fuel costs than if I had, I feel I'm at least as deserving of a bit of a sweetener as the diesel lot. Anyway, where are you getting your info from - I can only find stuff that says it'll be a diesel scrappage scheme?

Heard it on the radio they're looking at something similar to London system but going further with it so they don't need to do another scheme in 5-10 years time, I will say nothing has been finalised yet but watch this space as it will be for all cars not just diesels, there is some good news though they have realised speed humps add to the pollution as do 20mph limits so they might go too.

[greg2k]

Zetec-S said:

Exactly

I've never understood why petrolheads are so keen to dance on the grave of diesel. Even if the eco warriors get their way and get rid of diesel completely, they wont just pack up and go home. Petrol will be next...

Pretty much agree with this, looks like modern classics will probably survive this unscathed.

[ZX10R NIN]

greg2k said:

Pretty much agree with this, looks like modern classics will probably survive this unscathed.

But they won't cossies RS Focus's SL55's all under threat

[bristolracer]

Look at the London ULEZ
Diesel Euro 6
Petrol Euro 4
£12.50 a day if you dont comply
By April 2019.
If Kahn gets his way this zone will be extended out to the north and south circular by 2020


Thats where we are heading, this will happen in big cities with pollution problems

[Evanivitch]

bristolracer said:

Thats where we are heading, this will happen in big cities with pollution problems

What worries me is it may not just effect big cities. WHO pollution list includes cities like Swansea and towns like Port Talbot. These are probably due to very isolated areas of high pollution​ but will it provoke some rediculous reactions?

[Frank7]

Zetec-S

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I can't see massive increases in tax on diesel, there would be too much backlash from the haulage industry.

It'll be a gradual increase in RFL, and perhaps ultimately additional tax on new diesel car sales to discourage buyers. But no knee jerk reaction, probably phased over the next 5-10 years.




My wife has had a diesel Fiat Croma from new for 10 years now, but there have been so many adverse comments and mutterings in the media about 'dirty' diesels, that as much as the car has been super reliable, she was getting worried about what might be coming, so she got a fair offer from her nephew for it and began to look around.
I was quite taken with the lines of the Peugeot 3008, as it's a similar size to the Croma and as I avoid driving whenever I can, it looked comfortable in the back.
She who knows best noticed a 2008 in the showroom, and decided that it was big enough, and decided that as it came with a petrol engine, and was above all automatic, for like me, she considers a stick shift is for mugs, she'd have it.

J4CKO said:

What will Mr Corbyn do though ?
Bang the tax up on all personal transport to pay for free public transport for the disadvantaged ?

I wouldn't worry too much about what he'd do, hopefully he's got as much chance of getting into power, as Marine Le Pen has of becoming President of North Korea.