RE: Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX wagon: PH Carpool
Discussion
Er, not me.
My Audi A4 B8 1.8TQS only did a couple of hundred miles last year, but got fresh oil, filter and plugs, regardless (and I'm changing the diff oil etc this time)
My Octavia estate gets serviced under warranty at the main stealer and they think it's ok for the car to be serviced every 12months or 12k, whichever comes first.
As my driving is mixed urban and rural, I throw a cheeky oil and filter change of my own in.
And doing 60mph on the (un)Smart Motorway around J28 of the M1 I was shocked how many new Audis and BMWs I saw thrashing along a 80-90 (and gathering speeding tickets in the process presumably). When I say new, I mean brand spanking new, still clean underneath new. Ok, probably company cars, but I pity the person who picks one up as a 'bargain' at the auctions in 3yrs time...
As for the Evening IX, I actually think it looks better than an Impreza wagon which always look kinda limp-wristed.
My Audi A4 B8 1.8TQS only did a couple of hundred miles last year, but got fresh oil, filter and plugs, regardless (and I'm changing the diff oil etc this time)
My Octavia estate gets serviced under warranty at the main stealer and they think it's ok for the car to be serviced every 12months or 12k, whichever comes first.
As my driving is mixed urban and rural, I throw a cheeky oil and filter change of my own in.
And doing 60mph on the (un)Smart Motorway around J28 of the M1 I was shocked how many new Audis and BMWs I saw thrashing along a 80-90 (and gathering speeding tickets in the process presumably). When I say new, I mean brand spanking new, still clean underneath new. Ok, probably company cars, but I pity the person who picks one up as a 'bargain' at the auctions in 3yrs time...
As for the Evening IX, I actually think it looks better than an Impreza wagon which always look kinda limp-wristed.
rtz62 said:
And doing 60mph on the (un)Smart Motorway around J28 of the M1 I was shocked how many new Audis and BMWs I saw thrashing along a 80-90 (and gathering speeding tickets in the process presumably). When I say new, I mean brand spanking new, still clean underneath new. Ok, probably company cars, but I pity the person who picks one up as a 'bargain' at the auctions in 3yrs time...
Was this bit of motorway displaying 60 in a red circle, or is this just an arbitrary speed above which cars start wearing dramatically? Those cars are more than likely just as happy at 80 or 90 as they are at 60.rtz62 said:
...doing 60mph on the (un)Smart Motorway around J28 of the M1 I was shocked how many new Audis and BMWs I saw thrashing along a 80-90 (and gathering speeding tickets in the process presumably). When I say new, I mean brand spanking new, still clean underneath new. Ok, probably company cars.....
Doing 80-90mph isn't thrashing a new Audi or BMW. These things are designed and engineered to sit all day on the Autobahn at 100mph+.That same company car driver spanking his motor from cold, that'll cause more engine wear than anything you can do with the car up to temperature on a British motorway, but how can you tell whether it's been treated sympathetically?
I would agree though that these superlong service intervals are unlikely to be a good thing long-term, they might be attractive to the fleet manager but not to a subsequent buyer.
Heaveho said:
Porsche seem to think 20k intervals are ok, ffs. Who buys a car thinking that's a good idea?
This always seemed off to me.People buy a 50 or 100k car and then complain they have to spend what, 200, maybe 400 quid (on an expensive make!) on a service ONCE A YEAR since many ppl seem to be doing circa 10k a year.
Seriously, how stupid is that? No, not stupid. Completely idiotically moronic.
Why is having your car serviced every, say, 10k is such a problem? WHY? Can anyone explain? You can get a courtesy car so there is no down time.
People moan about having to service their can so manufacturers do stupid stuff like say that its ok to service every 20k. And then you suddenly have problems like timing chains stretching etc (Audi 3.0 TDI anyone?)
Max_Torque said:
Classic PHer!
Doesn't like diesel estate car because it's too everyday, so buys ridiculous, hard to drive, garage queen and then finds they can't drive it everyday and so has to sell it..
Have you thought about a 335d Tourer OP? I have a nice one for sale...... (complete with "slow steering and gearbox" but you can hear yourself think at 75mph, and you can do 20k miles without doing anything other than putting fuel in it) ;-)
Ah, but a very un-classic PHer in that they're happy to admit the faults of the car. Doesn't like diesel estate car because it's too everyday, so buys ridiculous, hard to drive, garage queen and then finds they can't drive it everyday and so has to sell it..
Have you thought about a 335d Tourer OP? I have a nice one for sale...... (complete with "slow steering and gearbox" but you can hear yourself think at 75mph, and you can do 20k miles without doing anything other than putting fuel in it) ;-)
It's a shame to hear in a post above that the automatic gearbox on the car really slows it down, I really wanted one at some stage. Might have to rethink that.
cib24 said:
For sure. Call me old school but I don't trust the crazy 10,000-20,000 mile service intervals that are becoming more and more common nowadays, in particular when you consider that the majority of cars in this country are driven under very harsh stop/go conditions which has a detrimental effect on oil (if it is a strict motorway cruiser covering many miles per day then that's different because it causes much less wear and tear on a drivetrain). Fuel dilution is a real thing and oil itself just breaks down over time and its better to change it sooner rather than later given how cheap it is to buy oil and filters.
But hey, no matter what car I own I change it before 5,000 miles maximum because oil is cheap, although I often change it every 2,000-3,000 miles since I track my car a few times per year and it sits a lot as it is a certain weekends only vehicle so a normal person wouldn't do that. It equates to a change about every 6 months for me anyhow.
Fully synthetic Oils and engines have changed a lot - google the scientific evidence - changing the oil that frequently (2-3k) actually causes more damage.But hey, no matter what car I own I change it before 5,000 miles maximum because oil is cheap, although I often change it every 2,000-3,000 miles since I track my car a few times per year and it sits a lot as it is a certain weekends only vehicle so a normal person wouldn't do that. It equates to a change about every 6 months for me anyhow.
Empirical evidence from the office shows (bmws & volvos) modern cars frequently hit the 200k on 18-20k service intervals requiring no engine work. My 2006 golf is still running at 190k plus (in someone else's hands) with no engine work required and was pulling like a train in my hands at 165k miles, 19k service intervals and a hard life as a load lugger pulling 1.5t trailer and track car throughout the summer.
While doing 20k on same oil and filter after several trackdays is crazy, the modern car CBT should allow for this - it certainly has on mine along with short journeys which very quickly bring the to go miles down.
Anyway, running this type of car as a daily and/or track slag is going to cost you dearly. One year in my evo7 cost around £8k 'cause of it service interval, super petrol, tyre and brake eating ability over 12k miles
tjlees said:
changing the oil that frequently (2-3k) actually causes more damage.
Well, been on lots of car forums for lots of years, worked in the trade for various manufacturers and am still in touch with several people still in the trade, and that's the first time I've ever heard that running a car on fresh rather than old oil causes more damage. Can you explain in more detail what you mean?Given that Mitsubishi recommend 4.5k service intervals on the Evo and have done for about a decade and a half, regardless of advances in oil tech, and the cars are generally regarded as extraordinarily reliable, your statement would seem to fly in the face of their beliefs.
Edited by Heaveho on Wednesday 3rd May 21:10
thought i recognised this car, we were parked up together at top of glenshee 2 autumns ago after the last track day of the year at knock hill. We had stopped after i was on one of those god this road is brilliant drives, out the car for a stretch, then this pulled up, curiously different, we went opposite directions but both enjoyed the same bit of tarmac on a dry traffic free day.
Heaveho said:
tjlees said:
changing the oil that frequently (2-3k) actually causes more damage.
Well, been on lots of car forums for lots of years, worked in the trade for various manufacturers and am still in touch with several people still in the trade, and that's the first time I've ever heard that running a car on fresh rather than old oil causes more damage. Can you explain in more detail what you mean?Given that Mitsubishi recommend 4.5k service intervals on the Evo and have done for about a decade and a half, regardless of advances in oil tech, and the cars are generally regarded as extraordinarily reliable, your statement would seem to fly in the face of their beliefs.
The evo 4.5k service interval has been around since at least 2000, engine oil, specs and it’s protective additives have changed a lot in 17 years. The (old) design of the engine may require this level of servicing or the stealers are trying to fleece the punter - you choose.
tjlees said:
Heaveho said:
tjlees said:
changing the oil that frequently (2-3k) actually causes more damage.
Well, been on lots of car forums for lots of years, worked in the trade for various manufacturers and am still in touch with several people still in the trade, and that's the first time I've ever heard that running a car on fresh rather than old oil causes more damage. Can you explain in more detail what you mean?Given that Mitsubishi recommend 4.5k service intervals on the Evo and have done for about a decade and a half, regardless of advances in oil tech, and the cars are generally regarded as extraordinarily reliable, your statement would seem to fly in the face of their beliefs.
The evo 4.5k service interval has been around since at least 2000, engine oil, specs and it’s protective additives have changed a lot in 17 years. The (old) design of the engine may require this level of servicing or the stealers are trying to fleece the punter - you choose.
Feel free to post this in the oils thread and see what they say about oil bedding in... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=23...
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