RE: Noble M600: Spotted
Discussion
I like the looks of the car. I think one poster above got tit right when he wrote about a sort of modern/retro look. I don't think it is retro in the manner of Morgan or Caterham, although you could argue that they're more unevolved. But there is a nice timelessness about the car.
I also like the interior - the only that that I don't like is the little detail where the gearstick enters the transmission tunnel. Looks a bit Transit Van-ish.
I also like the interior - the only that that I don't like is the little detail where the gearstick enters the transmission tunnel. Looks a bit Transit Van-ish.
I dont believe that the badge is the problem.The numbers dont lie,it is just not selling.It is not as exquisite and expensive as a Zonda,so it it doesnt attract the mega rich,and it is too expensive for the moderately affluent driving enthusiast,who will buy an Exige or a GT4.The engine is bespoke,the carbon weave is nice and its driving credentials are highly praised,but the design inside and out is simply dated and it is not the only "analogue" driver's car out there.It is competing mainly with supercars from the 90s to the middle of last decade,which are much more interesting.If you can afford one toy for 250k in your garage the M600 has got only the rarity value on its side.If you want to buy new,well,last time i checked you can still switch the electronic nannies off in a modern supercar and drive it "properly".
Hamilton's Zonda is extraordinary,but it should be for the price.The Noble with plastic panels and a pricetag of 100k would probably attract much more sales and tempt away some Lotus and GT3 buyers.
Hamilton's Zonda is extraordinary,but it should be for the price.The Noble with plastic panels and a pricetag of 100k would probably attract much more sales and tempt away some Lotus and GT3 buyers.
Edited by mainaman on Wednesday 3rd May 22:15
gigglebug said:
I hope you've not been limiting yourself to only a couple of posts a year LMA57 because if you have you've just done yourself a right kipper for this year!
I can actually see why producing a high value product would work as there is inherently less competition and the market for such things has grown. Of course this is still reliant on producing a product which folks want to buy but I really don't see that Noble would fair any better at the 50K ish bracket that it used to occupy as the options at this level are now far greater than they ever have been.
What sort of car do you think they could produce or you would like to see for 50K?
Oh because you have nothing better to do than post means your opinion is more valid. Perhaps you should get out more.I can actually see why producing a high value product would work as there is inherently less competition and the market for such things has grown. Of course this is still reliant on producing a product which folks want to buy but I really don't see that Noble would fair any better at the 50K ish bracket that it used to occupy as the options at this level are now far greater than they ever have been.
What sort of car do you think they could produce or you would like to see for 50K?
mainaman said:
I dont believe that the badge is the problem.The numbers dont lie,it is just not selling.It is not as exquisite and expensive as a Zonda,so it it doesnt attract the mega rich,and it is too expensive for the moderately affluent driving enthusiast,who will buy an Exige or a GT4.The engine is bespoke,the carbon weave is nice and its driving credentials are highly praised,but the design inside and out is simply dated and it is not the only "analogue" driver's car out there.It is competing mainly with supercars from the 90s to the middle of last decade,which are much more interesting.If you can afford one toy for 250k in your garage the M600 has got only the rarity value on its side.If you want to buy new,well,last time i checked you can still switch the electronic nannies off in a modern supercar and drive it "properly".
Hamilton's Zonda is extraordinary,but it should be for the price.The Noble with plastic panels and a pricetag of 100k would probably attract much more sales and tempt away some Lotus and GT3 buyers.
Totally agree, £100-150k seems like where it would work best.Hamilton's Zonda is extraordinary,but it should be for the price.The Noble with plastic panels and a pricetag of 100k would probably attract much more sales and tempt away some Lotus and GT3 buyers.
Edited by mainaman on Wednesday 3rd May 22:15
LMA37 said:
gigglebug said:
I hope you've not been limiting yourself to only a couple of posts a year LMA57 because if you have you've just done yourself a right kipper for this year!
I can actually see why producing a high value product would work as there is inherently less competition and the market for such things has grown. Of course this is still reliant on producing a product which folks want to buy but I really don't see that Noble would fair any better at the 50K ish bracket that it used to occupy as the options at this level are now far greater than they ever have been.
What sort of car do you think they could produce or you would like to see for 50K?
Oh because you have nothing better to do than post means your opinion is more valid. Perhaps you should get out more.I can actually see why producing a high value product would work as there is inherently less competition and the market for such things has grown. Of course this is still reliant on producing a product which folks want to buy but I really don't see that Noble would fair any better at the 50K ish bracket that it used to occupy as the options at this level are now far greater than they ever have been.
What sort of car do you think they could produce or you would like to see for 50K?
My first point was in response to you posting the same comment 3 times which was mildly amusing so I made a light hearted comment about it. I can now see that it was plainly wasted on a humourless person like yourself. I notice you have been back and cleared up your mistake by deleting the repeat posts, unfortunately for your fragile ego everybody who has already read the thread will have noticed it so it's hardly the perfect crime is it?
My second point is just a differing opinion and a valid one. These things tend to happen on a forum and is no biggy to most folks but again I fear this point will have been lost on you as your obviously far too serious and self opinionated to have actually taken it in and noticed that at no point was your own opinion being deemed invalid.
And lastly I asked you a genuine question, which you've completely ignored through your self centred ignorance, as I am interested in your thoughts as to what type of car you would like to see Noble making, be it a two or four seater coupe, front or rear engined and what you think they could provide that would now differentiate them from the myriad of competition that frequents the 50K ish sports car market place which they once mantained? Seems like a fair question to ask doesn't it and one to which if you had anything about you could have provoked an interesting and informed response as oppose to a two sentence irrelevant, ill-informed hissy fit.
Maybe whilst "getting out more" than the rest of us folks you might like to take the time to learn to appreciate some of the finer and more relevant things in life, like anything other than yourself!
I love these things, saw one on route to Le Mans last year, it was struggling to keep up with my old Esprit.... ;-)
Nearest thing to compare to is an F40, and if F40s were still around the £200k mark, then I would have an F40 any day for that money.
BUT, now F40s are 4-5 times that, if I had £200k knocking around, then an M600 would certainly be my raw supercar of choice.
Only other car that has the same raw supercar appeal to me is a very well built and sorted Ultima GTR, really good one are like hens teeth.
British Beef said:
I love these things, saw one on route to Le Mans last year, it was struggling to keep up with my old Esprit.... ;-)
Nearest thing to compare to is an F40, and if F40s were still around the £200k mark, then I would have an F40 any day for that money.
BUT, now F40s are 4-5 times that, if I had £200k knocking around, then an M600 would certainly be my raw supercar of choice.
Only other car that has the same raw supercar appeal to me is a very well built and sorted Ultima GTR, really good one are like hens teeth.
Small mention for Gumpart Apollo from me as it's by far the rawest car I've ever been in.Nearest thing to compare to is an F40, and if F40s were still around the £200k mark, then I would have an F40 any day for that money.
BUT, now F40s are 4-5 times that, if I had £200k knocking around, then an M600 would certainly be my raw supercar of choice.
Only other car that has the same raw supercar appeal to me is a very well built and sorted Ultima GTR, really good one are like hens teeth.
Is there a lot of variation between different Ultima's? Are the factory built cars the best of the breed?
Stunning car, "last of the breed" comes to mind, despite the cliché. I agree with others who have posted about the interior, never a Noble strong point. They could do a lot worse than trying to pick up some of TVR's ex design team, who managed to produce the most beautiful and unique vehicle interiors of all time on a modest budget.
andymc said:
Highlights exactly why it should be celebrated...and exactly the areas where it's miles behind where it should be...
Either way celebrating it because it's British and pure is all very well.... we can celebrate the hell out of it right up until it disappears....
I actually think the M600 is prices too cheaply for its own good. Bare with me on this: Price in the super/hypercar world is also used as a marketing tool, as an indication of ones wealth. I look at pagani, and see a £2m price tag on carbon versions, and I can't help but think that the noble should be competing with them. Yes, of course as it stands now, the pagani is definitely better built, but then it costs almost 10 times more than the noble. Having a £2m price tag will certainly grab attention, and actually attract the correct clientele (i.e. people with stupid amounts of cash). A list price of 250k is rather mundane for such a car. You don't have to be wildy rich to buy one (that is almost the same price as a heavily specced mclaren 720s/ ferry 488s for comparisons sake, and look how many people them) and so noble are fighting a very tough battle at that price point. Heck, make the list price £1m, fully carbon, make the interior all glitzy, and sell it to rich playboys! there must be more than 30 of those in the world...
macky17 said:
You're assuming either of them would let you. So speaks the anti-M600 standard-bearer.
L33 - I salute you.
Hahaha fair enough, though I did until very recently own an Alfa 8C if that counts as good looking? Most think it is. I do find the looks of the Noble rather bland, certainly given the competition at that price point. I'm sure it is great fun to drive (certainly better than my 8C was), and looks are of course subjective. But I stand by the basis of my statement even if my language was a bit fruity for some of you. Supercars should look interesting, and that just doesn't.....sorry!L33 - I salute you.
Robert-nszl1 said:
macky17 said:
You're assuming either of them would let you. So speaks the anti-M600 standard-bearer.
L33 - I salute you.
Hahaha fair enough, though I did until very recently own an Alfa 8C if that counts as good looking? Most think it is. I do find the looks of the Noble rather bland, certainly given the competition at that price point. I'm sure it is great fun to drive (certainly better than my 8C was), and looks are of course subjective. But I stand by the basis of my statement even if my language was a bit fruity for some of you. Supercars should look interesting, and that just doesn't.....sorry!L33 - I salute you.
e21Mark said:
And this one. No stupid Clarkson references ( that the slow of thinking believe ) about it bring built in a shed etc..https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FXvQvA3EXLg
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