RE: Noble M600: Spotted
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Here's a previous thread with contributions from people who are well informed.
Here's a previous thread with contributions from people who are well informed.
I like the M600,but the price is simply ridiculous.It is also not the only "driver's supercar" with a manual for 150k or less.Who would pick one over a Viper ACR,Vantage V12,GT3,Balboni,etc.
I would choose an Exige Sport 380 over a new one as well.
A Pagani may cost three times the price,but it is an work of art and Hamilton's manual Zonda 760 makes the Noble look like a Trabant!
I would choose an Exige Sport 380 over a new one as well.
A Pagani may cost three times the price,but it is an work of art and Hamilton's manual Zonda 760 makes the Noble look like a Trabant!
Oh, and you see my response as a comeback, suggesting you think we are having an argument of some kind.
Do I see the M600 as a kit car? Very much so. Yes I am aware that the admittedly very few people who have bought one are taking delivery of a complete car, but look at the level of design quality and finish in the interior pics, very reminiscent of what I would expect of a mid range kit car, and actually not a patch, in my eyes at least, to what TVR were producing in the mid 90's, it's simply not a patch on what the established competition is producing, or a lot of buyers at this level perhaps expect.
I'm not suggesting the M600 is not a capable car, but I am absolutely suggesting that the level of design quality is woefully inadequate at the price point.
But again, I'll reiterate that it's horses for courses. If you want one, buy one and I hope that you enjoy it.
Non of the above makes me an idiot, or indeed a liar.
Do I see the M600 as a kit car? Very much so. Yes I am aware that the admittedly very few people who have bought one are taking delivery of a complete car, but look at the level of design quality and finish in the interior pics, very reminiscent of what I would expect of a mid range kit car, and actually not a patch, in my eyes at least, to what TVR were producing in the mid 90's, it's simply not a patch on what the established competition is producing, or a lot of buyers at this level perhaps expect.
I'm not suggesting the M600 is not a capable car, but I am absolutely suggesting that the level of design quality is woefully inadequate at the price point.
But again, I'll reiterate that it's horses for courses. If you want one, buy one and I hope that you enjoy it.
Non of the above makes me an idiot, or indeed a liar.
NOBLE - fantastic british super car --- prefer the raw m400
real shame lee noble not involved in this although his name on the car
new lee noble designed car hopefully coming soon ----- hopefully -- that will be the one to get
about time did a review of the m12 / m400 range - so rare to see
real shame lee noble not involved in this although his name on the car
new lee noble designed car hopefully coming soon ----- hopefully -- that will be the one to get
about time did a review of the m12 / m400 range - so rare to see
There were a couple of these at Festivals of Speed a few years ago in the camping bit I was staying in. I walked past them every day and always thought they looked fantastic. Exotic enough in my eyes and seems to have the performance to match, although I will admit the interior of the car mentioned at the start of this thread in a bit ghastly.
f1nn said:
Oh, and you see my response as a comeback, suggesting you think we are having an argument of some kind.
Do I see the M600 as a kit car? Very much so. Yes I am aware that the admittedly very few people who have bought one are taking delivery of a complete car, but look at the level of design quality and finish in the interior pics, very reminiscent of what I would expect of a mid range kit car, and actually not a patch, in my eyes at least, to what TVR were producing in the mid 90's, it's simply not a patch on what the established competition is producing, or a lot of buyers at this level perhaps expect.
I'm not suggesting the M600 is not a capable car, but I am absolutely suggesting that the level of design quality is woefully inadequate at the price point.
But again, I'll reiterate that it's horses for courses. If you want one, buy one and I hope that you enjoy it.
Non of the above makes me an idiot, or indeed a liar.
I have no need to argue with someone who suggests I'm 12 years old. That level of debating is for you, not me.Do I see the M600 as a kit car? Very much so. Yes I am aware that the admittedly very few people who have bought one are taking delivery of a complete car, but look at the level of design quality and finish in the interior pics, very reminiscent of what I would expect of a mid range kit car, and actually not a patch, in my eyes at least, to what TVR were producing in the mid 90's, it's simply not a patch on what the established competition is producing, or a lot of buyers at this level perhaps expect.
I'm not suggesting the M600 is not a capable car, but I am absolutely suggesting that the level of design quality is woefully inadequate at the price point.
But again, I'll reiterate that it's horses for courses. If you want one, buy one and I hope that you enjoy it.
Non of the above makes me an idiot, or indeed a liar.
You are calling a car, a kit car that clearly isn't one, never has been and never will be, simply because you don't like it. That's you're entire argument.
I buy cars in this segment, I have driven and owned a great many of them. The Noble offers something different from the mainstream. The very fact you mention TVR in the same breath as the Noble marks you out as not knowing what you are talking about.
I will ask again... Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had access to one? Have you ever sat in one?
I have always felt with this car they should have actually made it MORE expensive, and spent another £50k doing a proper job on the interior.
For me, they sit at an awkward price point. Something like an Exige can get away with being less luxurious because it offers a lot of performance relative to its price, but for the £200,000+ car customer, you can get similar performance to this without the compromise.
I have seen one up close and whilst the exterior carbon detailing is very nice, the interior is unforgiveable at this price point. That's from a Lotus owner :-|
For me, they sit at an awkward price point. Something like an Exige can get away with being less luxurious because it offers a lot of performance relative to its price, but for the £200,000+ car customer, you can get similar performance to this without the compromise.
I have seen one up close and whilst the exterior carbon detailing is very nice, the interior is unforgiveable at this price point. That's from a Lotus owner :-|
When Lee Noble sold the company it was making cars at a price point that was vacated by TVR and had no direct competition. The cars were obtainable, and maintenable. They also appealed to the genuine driver.
The M600 was a pricing joke and placed it directly with more established competitors with genuine kudos. It also didn't move anything on to its predecessors from driving pleasure and engagement.
Noble needs to rethink and go back to the price point they were at, and then they could take on the establishment.
The M600 was a pricing joke and placed it directly with more established competitors with genuine kudos. It also didn't move anything on to its predecessors from driving pleasure and engagement.
Noble needs to rethink and go back to the price point they were at, and then they could take on the establishment.
[quote=f1nn] Nope...
Although the price of this one is going in the right direction, having gone from the "pluck a number out of the air" to "simply ridiculous" pitching it against far better, more established rivals with some hope of resale once you've grown tired of a Volvo engined kit car.
He mocketh. Well I once had a close look at a GTO chassis and in terms of quality I know that Ginetta chassis were better made (and maybe better design as well)
Although the price of this one is going in the right direction, having gone from the "pluck a number out of the air" to "simply ridiculous" pitching it against far better, more established rivals with some hope of resale once you've grown tired of a Volvo engined kit car.
He mocketh. Well I once had a close look at a GTO chassis and in terms of quality I know that Ginetta chassis were better made (and maybe better design as well)
LMA37 said:
When Lee Noble sold the company it was making cars at a price point that was vacated by TVR and had no direct competition. The cars were obtainable, and maintenable. They also appealed to the genuine driver.
The M600 was a pricing joke and placed it directly with more established competitors with genuine kudos. It also didn't move anything on to its predecessors from driving pleasure and engagement.
Noble needs to rethink and go back to the price point they were at, and then they could take on the establishment.
I hope you've not been limiting yourself to only a couple of posts a year LMA57 because if you have you've just done yourself a right kipper for this year!The M600 was a pricing joke and placed it directly with more established competitors with genuine kudos. It also didn't move anything on to its predecessors from driving pleasure and engagement.
Noble needs to rethink and go back to the price point they were at, and then they could take on the establishment.
I can actually see why producing a high value product would work as there is inherently less competition and the market for such things has grown. Of course this is still reliant on producing a product which folks want to buy but I really don't see that Noble would fair any better at the 50K ish bracket that it used to occupy as the options at this level are now far greater than they ever have been.
What sort of car do you think they could produce or you would like to see for 50K?
PurpleAki said:
I have no need to argue with someone who suggests I'm 12 years old. That level of debating is for you, not me.
You are calling a car, a kit car that clearly isn't one, never has been and never will be, simply because you don't like it. That's you're entire argument.
I buy cars in this segment, I have driven and owned a great many of them. The Noble offers something different from the mainstream. The very fact you mention TVR in the same breath as the Noble marks you out as not knowing what you are talking about.
I will ask again... Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had access to one? Have you ever sat in one?
Entire argument? I've no reason to argue?? You have a different opinion to me, that's fine.You are calling a car, a kit car that clearly isn't one, never has been and never will be, simply because you don't like it. That's you're entire argument.
I buy cars in this segment, I have driven and owned a great many of them. The Noble offers something different from the mainstream. The very fact you mention TVR in the same breath as the Noble marks you out as not knowing what you are talking about.
I will ask again... Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had access to one? Have you ever sat in one?
Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
Atmospheric said:
Absolutely what a supercar should be in my opinion.
The biggest problem with this car is most people who can afford won't be able to drive it properly. It's not a posers car, it's a focused car.
PH has changed
I know what you mean. (Has anyone mentioned its lack of Park Assist?)The biggest problem with this car is most people who can afford won't be able to drive it properly. It's not a posers car, it's a focused car.
PH has changed
f1nn said:
Entire argument? I've no reason to argue?? You have a different opinion to me, that's fine.
Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
So what? Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
Can't you see it might give your viewpoint some weight if you'd actually some direct experience of the car?
You're like an even s
tter version of Donald Trump. No real clue of what you're talking about but if you say it often enough it must be true.When and where did you see one? Was it up close? Did you have access to it? Were you able to examine it closely?
Making false statements and slagging something off so much, that you have no experience of, never so much as sat in, let alone driven, makes you look foolish.
Constantly calling them kit cars when you know full well they are nothing of the sort, makes you look foolish.
Mentioning TVR in the same breath, and even as something superior, makes you look foolish. (And yes, I've owned a TVR, still do in fact. Have you?)
As I've said before, different opinions are fine. It makes the world go round.
Constantly stating untruths just because you don't like something isn't.
Everyone except you can understand this.
I'm not going to waste anymore time on you over something I care so little about. I won't respond to you again. You are welcome to the last word. You seem like the sort who needs it...
(Apologies to other posters for the slight thread derailment).
PurpleAki said:
f1nn said:
Entire argument? I've no reason to argue?? You have a different opinion to me, that's fine.
Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
So what? Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
Can't? you see it might give your viewpoint some weight if you'd actually some direct experience of the car?
You're like an even s
tter version of Donald Trump. No real clue of what you're talking about but if you say it often enough it must be true.When and where did you see one? Was it up close? Did you have access to it? Were you able to examine it closely?
Making false statements and slagging something off so much, that you have no experience of, never so much as sat in, let alone driven, makes you look foolish.
Constantly calling them kit cars when you know full well they are nothing of the sort, makes you look foolish.
Mentioning TVR in the same breath, and even as something superior, makes you look foolish. (And yes, I've owned a TVR, still do in fact. Have you?)
As I've said before, different opinions are fine. It makes the world go round.
Constantly stating untruths just because you don't like something isn't.
Everyone except you can understand this.
I'm not going to waste anymore time on you over something I care so little about. I won't respond to you again. You are welcome to the last word. You seem like the sort who needs it...
(Apologies to other posters for the slight thread derailment).
Guybrush said:
Atmospheric said:
Absolutely what a supercar should be in my opinion.
The biggest problem with this car is most people who can afford won't be able to drive it properly. It's not a posers car, it's a focused car.
PH has changed
I know what you mean. (Has anyone mentioned its lack of Park Assist?)The biggest problem with this car is most people who can afford won't be able to drive it properly. It's not a posers car, it's a focused car.
PH has changed
f1nn said:
PurpleAki said:
I have no need to argue with someone who suggests I'm 12 years old. That level of debating is for you, not me.
You are calling a car, a kit car that clearly isn't one, never has been and never will be, simply because you don't like it. That's you're entire argument.
I buy cars in this segment, I have driven and owned a great many of them. The Noble offers something different from the mainstream. The very fact you mention TVR in the same breath as the Noble marks you out as not knowing what you are talking about.
I will ask again... Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had access to one? Have you ever sat in one?
Entire argument? I've no reason to argue?? You have a different opinion to me, that's fine.You are calling a car, a kit car that clearly isn't one, never has been and never will be, simply because you don't like it. That's you're entire argument.
I buy cars in this segment, I have driven and owned a great many of them. The Noble offers something different from the mainstream. The very fact you mention TVR in the same breath as the Noble marks you out as not knowing what you are talking about.
I will ask again... Have you ever seen one? Have you ever had access to one? Have you ever sat in one?
Great, you buy cars in this segment...I'm pleased for you. I would agree with you, Noble do offer something very different from the main stream, something different to good in my opinion, but hey that's my opinion.
Yes, I consider them to be very kit car like, again, my opinion, feel free to have yours.
No, I've not sat in one, yes I've seen one in the flesh...so what?
this can't be the first time someone's opinion has differed to yours surely?
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