RE: Turbo uber alles: PH Blog

[AndrewD]

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

Golf R is pedestrian compared to a Turbo S. It is simply brisk rather than quick.

[911p]

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard.

Ok.

Yipper said:

For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

I tell you, the Bugatti Chiron looks like a bit of a ripoff too. You can make a GT-R faster for one tenth of the price.

[Yipper]

AndrewD said:

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

Golf R is pedestrian compared to a Turbo S. It is simply brisk rather than quick.

You can take ~£30k for a Golf R DSG, and ~£10k for an aftermarket remap, turbo and some engine tinkering, and ~£40k will get you a week later a car that does the quarter-mile in 10.8secs. That is just about the same speed as a 911TS (10.6secs) that costs ~£150k. And reliability is in the same ballpark, too.

With modern turbos, engines and AWD, making a superfast daily really is not hard anymore. The 911TS looks very overpriced today for what it does.

[J4CKO]

Yipper said:

AndrewD said:

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

Golf R is pedestrian compared to a Turbo S. It is simply brisk rather than quick.

You can take ~£30k for a Golf R DSG, and ~£10k for an aftermarket remap, turbo and some engine tinkering, and ~£40k will get you a week later a car that does the quarter-mile in 10.8secs. That is just about the same speed as a 911TS (10.6secs) that costs ~£150k. And reliability is in the same ballpark, too.

With modern turbos, engines and AWD, making a superfast daily really is not hard anymore. The 911TS looks very overpriced today for what it does.

Straight line performance used to be the sole focus, but it has been conquered, a remapped Golf may be, in certain measures approaching the ball park acceleration figures of a 911T but it is still a Golf, 911 buyers don't consider it an alternative and aren't bothered.

[ab80]

J4CKO said:

Yipper said:

AndrewD said:

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

Golf R is pedestrian compared to a Turbo S. It is simply brisk rather than quick.

You can take ~£30k for a Golf R DSG, and ~£10k for an aftermarket remap, turbo and some engine tinkering, and ~£40k will get you a week later a car that does the quarter-mile in 10.8secs. That is just about the same speed as a 911TS (10.6secs) that costs ~£150k. And reliability is in the same ballpark, too.

With modern turbos, engines and AWD, making a superfast daily really is not hard anymore. The 911TS looks very overpriced today for what it does.

Straight line performance used to be the sole focus, but it has been conquered, a remapped Golf may be, in certain measures approaching the ball park acceleration figures of a 911T but it is still a Golf, 911 buyers don't consider it an alternative and aren't bothered.

They also drive quite differently!

I'm not sure that with any amount of modification a Golf could handle in any way comparably to a 911. Think engine / drivetrain layout, Haldex, rear-wheel steering, let alone centre of gravity, weight distribution, suspension set up, quality of components.

Yipper, assuming that you're being serious and not just trolling, why not go on a driving experience to see what he difference is like.

Edited by ab80 on Saturday 6th May 10:35

Edited by ab80 on Saturday 6th May 10:35

[gigglebug]

Adz The Rat said:

911p said:

Compared to the 991 Turbo, the GT-R is bigger in every dimension, and the Megane is wider and taller.

The GTR feels a bigger, heavier car too. I havent driven a MY17 GTR but all the others have felt BIG cars to me, do the job nicely though.

Strange how the Turbo is universally loved, yet any with a GT badge get the speculator comments.

My C4S always felt a better size on the roads I use than the GTR did so was more enjoyable for it in that respect even if the GTR had more going for it in a lot of other area's. I fully expect though that if I didn't live in such a rural area where the roads are so tight it's size wouldn't have came into it. I'd happily have either again.

[RamboLambo]

Just another supped up beetle, boring

[breadvan]

RamboLambo said:

Just another supped up beetle, boring

Yep, a souped up beetle that won't go wrong; you won't need to travel 100 miles to a dealer and won't be replaced in 10 minutes....
How are you btw? Did I see you on the A38 over Easter in the 570?

[blasos]

ManyMotors said:

The 911 Turbo S (that's an 'S') does things few cars have ever done or are doing. After maybe 100 mph, several cars can pull it. But from a standstill using launch control, there is nothing close

Clearly you've not heard of Tesla. Let me bring you up to speed (pun intended): The Tesla Models S (that's an 'S') thoroughly trounces the 911 Turbo S (that's also an 'S', not a 'D' or 'W' or even 'V' for that matter) in 0-30 mph and 0-60 mph acceleration.

[NJH]

Only an idiot would think about tuning up a VAG euro box for £40K when £50K will by a secondhand fairly recent 911 turbo. A friend did just that the other year, managed to get a 997 turbo for that sort of figure, car looks mint and will still be worth similar money or more in years to come when your golf is down under 20k in no time.

This is what really attracts me about these cars, many of us can scrimp and save to around 40 or 50 grand making true supercar performance accessible whereas the other stuff (GTR apart) is all in the 100k plus arena these days.

[Rawwr]

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene.

The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.

It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.

Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.

The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:

The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.

The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.

Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.

[ab80]

That reminds me that I should also have mentioned (active) aero and brakes

[Trophy-GTA]

I'm guessing a few members in this thread drive white German diesels with black alloys. 991 gen Vag turbo S. Yawn!

[Atmospheric]

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

New age PH nonsense.

Example of what? Porsche have perfected the "superfast" daily, it's taken 40 years - and you talk about the Golf R like it's anything approaching the 911TT is sheer poise.

This place has changed

[Atmospheric]

Yipper said:

AndrewD said:

Yipper said:

Always amazed that more carmakers don't compete with the 911T. You can take a Golf R and make it as fast and reliable and handleable for a third of the price. With modern turbos, engines and AWD systems, making a superfast daily is not hard. For its price, the 911T looks a bit of a ripoff, and more carmakers need to get stuck in and challenge it.

PS. Yes, I know Golf R and 911T are in the same VAG group, it is just an example

Golf R is pedestrian compared to a Turbo S. It is simply brisk rather than quick.

You can take ~£30k for a Golf R DSG, and ~£10k for an aftermarket remap, turbo and some engine tinkering, and ~£40k will get you a week later a car that does the quarter-mile in 10.8secs. That is just about the same speed as a 911TS (10.6secs) that costs ~£150k. And reliability is in the same ballpark, too.

With modern turbos, engines and AWD, making a superfast daily really is not hard anymore. The 911TS looks very overpriced today for what it does.

40k for a Golf and tuning - 45k buys you an early 997TT.

[anonymous-user]

Atmospheric said:

40k for a Golf and tuning...

That's worth half what it owes you...

[Deep]

the_hood said:

So what you're saying is that the PH community need to drive a car before they decide they don't like it? I don't think that'll catch on.

Yes, I'm saying exactly that.

And perhaps they could stop suggesting that every car is over priced and that they could make a better car by modifying a far inferior car.

Luckily Porsche (and others) aren't reliant on people like that to actually buy their cars otherwise they'd be bankrupt

[Deep]

the_hood said:

So what you're saying is that the PH community need to drive a car before they decide they don't like it? I don't think that'll catch on.

Yes, I'm saying exactly that.

And perhaps they could stop suggesting that every car is over priced and that they could make a better car by modifying a far inferior car.

Luckily Porsche (and others) aren't reliant on people like that to actually buy their cars otherwise they'd be bankrupt

[CABC]

Yipper said:

The 911TS looks very overpriced today for what it does.

guess you haven't driven both.

I'm not Porsche's biggest fan now they've put on so much weight, but comparing it to a Golf/Focus is superficial.

[gigglebug]

Classic Yipper input. I'm guessing that Yipper thinks having a high post count will impress and gain respect from others even if very little of what they post is indeed impressive or due any respect.