RE: Turbo uber alles: PH Blog
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gigglebug said:
Classic Yipper input. I'm guessing that Yipper thinks having a high post count will impress and gain respect from others even if very little of what they post is indeed impressive or due any respect.
it's a shame PH is populated by trolls and magazine-reading experts. Pity there isn't closed forum where contributors can only view/contribute if they validate their real identity. Wouldn't fix everything but i suspect it would moderate input.Rawwr said:
The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene.
The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.
It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.
Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.
The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:
The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.
The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.
Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.
One of the better-written urban myths out there.The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.
It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.
Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.
The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:
The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.
The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.
Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.
CABC said:
it's a shame PH is populated by trolls and magazine-reading experts. Pity there isn't closed forum where contributors can only view/contribute if they validate their real identity. Wouldn't fix everything but i suspect it would moderate input.
Maybe. I think it's important that all should be free to join in though and for every Yipper you are just as likely to find a self appointed, know it all elitist at the the other end of the spectrum which can be just as bad. I just can't work out why some folks even bother, who they are trying fool or why they wouldn't have something better to do than making stuff up and/or trolling on the internet?I had the pleasure of 90 mins in a 991 Turbo S last year at the Porsche Centre, Silverstone - I drove there in my Golf R.
The 991's capabilities are quite literally astonishing, the control you have over the power coupled to the handling are amazing.
Getting back in my Golf R after the Porsche experience was the biggest motoring disappointment I have experienced for some time, it hits home it's just a reasonably fast shopping car and in no way comparable to a sports car.
Sadly I haven't the financial resource for a new 991 Turbo or the balls to run an older one so that's the closest I will come for some years.
The 991's capabilities are quite literally astonishing, the control you have over the power coupled to the handling are amazing.
Getting back in my Golf R after the Porsche experience was the biggest motoring disappointment I have experienced for some time, it hits home it's just a reasonably fast shopping car and in no way comparable to a sports car.
Sadly I haven't the financial resource for a new 991 Turbo or the balls to run an older one so that's the closest I will come for some years.
Thank god for the GT-R and other machinery at this price point pushing Porsche onto better things.
The 997.2 turbo S, while bite the back of hand gorgeous (especially in basalt black with blacked out windows for me) inside and out, the stock sound was dull, it annoyingly oversteered when pushed (I could never get it back from that), the road noise was intrusive and ride overly firm (even unsettling at BPG).
For the 991.2 Turbo S, the interior quality is even better (check out the no cost two toned leather), the glorious sound probably means you do not need a europipe exhaust, the oversteer can be controlled with trail braking, the road noise is vastly reduced and ride while still firm is much better and not unsettled by BPG s
t concrete runway.
The 991.2 may have grown a little in size, but its still a seriously fun weapon on a B road, easily threaded through the twisties, a real hoot and relatively safe ... well maybe not for your licence
The 997.2 turbo S, while bite the back of hand gorgeous (especially in basalt black with blacked out windows for me) inside and out, the stock sound was dull, it annoyingly oversteered when pushed (I could never get it back from that), the road noise was intrusive and ride overly firm (even unsettling at BPG).
For the 991.2 Turbo S, the interior quality is even better (check out the no cost two toned leather), the glorious sound probably means you do not need a europipe exhaust, the oversteer can be controlled with trail braking, the road noise is vastly reduced and ride while still firm is much better and not unsettled by BPG s
t concrete runway.The 991.2 may have grown a little in size, but its still a seriously fun weapon on a B road, easily threaded through the twisties, a real hoot and relatively safe ... well maybe not for your licence
Having owned a 997 gen I turbo, it was a bit of a letdown after a gen I C4S. Very fast, but sounded dull and just didn't have the throttle response. Sounds like Porsche has really moved the game on. I did wonder how they would differentiate the turbo now the Carrera is turbo charged as well. The ubiquity of the 911 does cause it to be viewed as 'dull and boring' by some, but they are still making a great product, and many aren't even grey or black any more!
I'm afraid I've not driven a Golf R but it used to be the case that the moment you bring in a tuner you at least invalidate the warranty, and almost certainly knacker the used value- people like their cars (in the mainstream) to be unmolested in my experience.
And the poster that mentioned the 335d was spot on! I actually owned one of those as well; great car but the ride was abysmal, and certainly no 911 to drive despite the performance numbers
I must be in the minority but I quite enjoy the trolls vs pompous arses on here. The former tend not to be too offensive; we are only discussing cars after all. The latter never cease to make me chuckle....
I'm afraid I've not driven a Golf R but it used to be the case that the moment you bring in a tuner you at least invalidate the warranty, and almost certainly knacker the used value- people like their cars (in the mainstream) to be unmolested in my experience.
And the poster that mentioned the 335d was spot on! I actually owned one of those as well; great car but the ride was abysmal, and certainly no 911 to drive despite the performance numbers
I must be in the minority but I quite enjoy the trolls vs pompous arses on here. The former tend not to be too offensive; we are only discussing cars after all. The latter never cease to make me chuckle....
blasos said:
ManyMotors said:
The 911 Turbo S (that's an 'S') does things few cars have ever done or are doing. After maybe 100 mph, several cars can pull it. But from a standstill using launch control, there is nothing close
Clearly you've not heard of Tesla. Let me bring you up to speed (pun intended): The Tesla Models S (that's an 'S') thoroughly trounces the 911 Turbo S (that's also an 'S', not a 'D' or 'W' or even 'V' for that matter) in 0-30 mph and 0-60 mph acceleration. Hugh Jarse said:
+1 bizarre how this seems to get omitted.
Because it's irrelevant. Any number of cars can get in and around 911T numbers for 0-60 and 0-100 for those that think performance = stats. However, in actual real world driving, done on the road, not on the keyboard 😉 - that Top trumps performance needs to match up with chassis dynamics, transmission, brakes, size, weight distribution, steering, grip, power delivery and any other number of subjective aspects like exhaust note and looks.
Tesla make great cars, and I'm def considering one as a future family wagon, but a super car it isn't. Try chasing down a 911T down a narrow twisty B road - you wouldn't even catch the the Golf R 😁
As posted earlier, as a DD proposition for a true everyday supercar, it's in a class of one.
StuH said:
Because it's irrelevant. Any number of cars can get in and around 911T numbers for 0-60 and 0-100 for those that think performance = stats.
However, in actual real world driving, done on the road, not on the keyboard ?? - that Top trumps performance needs to match up with chassis dynamics, transmission, brakes, size, weight distribution, steering, grip, power delivery and any other number of subjective aspects like exhaust note and looks.
Tesla make great cars, and I'm def considering one as a future family wagon, but a super car it isn't. Try chasing down a 911T down a narrow twisty B road - you wouldn't even catch the the Golf R ??
As posted earlier, as a DD proposition for a true everyday supercar, it's in a class of one.
+1 to this. I've noticed more and more 'Tesla trolls' cluttering up the site. So they can go from 0-60 very quickly? And then what? I may well be a dinosaur but the site is call Pistonheads, I wasn't aware Teslas had any...However, in actual real world driving, done on the road, not on the keyboard ?? - that Top trumps performance needs to match up with chassis dynamics, transmission, brakes, size, weight distribution, steering, grip, power delivery and any other number of subjective aspects like exhaust note and looks.
Tesla make great cars, and I'm def considering one as a future family wagon, but a super car it isn't. Try chasing down a 911T down a narrow twisty B road - you wouldn't even catch the the Golf R ??
As posted earlier, as a DD proposition for a true everyday supercar, it's in a class of one.
Robert-nszl1 said:
+1 to this. I've noticed more and more 'Tesla trolls' cluttering up the site. So they can go from 0-60 very quickly? And then what? I may well be a dinosaur but the site is call Pistonheads, I wasn't aware Teslas had any...
EV's are fine on PH imo. Let's judge them on their driving feel and not 0-60.
sege said:
Is Dan seriously saying he'd rather drive home in the porka than the macca?! That's big news imo. Can't wait to read the test that prompted this article.
Yep - I agree with this. The quality, practicality, performance and handling were different enough to prefer the beetle.lol over the Tesla - it's an EV family wagon not a supercar. EVs with all of that torque from the word go are always going to do very well on the drag strip - surprised at how good the i3 is - however it's about the B road twisties and noise for me rather than competing with the dragsters.
"...as I drifted out of the blind 90-degree left turned out to be exactly what I needed for the hairpin right that followed. I just held the wheel, stayed on the throttle and the car rotated perfectly around its middle..."
Do you think this is something that you, or anyone for that matter, should do on public roads, especially in BLIND turns?
You instigate reckless driving and implore drivers to just go balls to the wall and trust the car in the corners... Really?
P.S. I love Turbo, have a tuned one with manual box and hydraulic steering. It demands respect and can be scary even with systems on, not to mention with systems off (can bite your bottom even at slow speed and half-throttle openings)
Do you think this is something that you, or anyone for that matter, should do on public roads, especially in BLIND turns?
You instigate reckless driving and implore drivers to just go balls to the wall and trust the car in the corners... Really?
P.S. I love Turbo, have a tuned one with manual box and hydraulic steering. It demands respect and can be scary even with systems on, not to mention with systems off (can bite your bottom even at slow speed and half-throttle openings)
Ho Lee Kau said:
"...as I drifted out of the blind 90-degree left turned out to be exactly what I needed for the hairpin right that followed. I just held the wheel, stayed on the throttle and the car rotated perfectly around its middle..."
Do you think this is something that you, or anyone for that matter, should do on public roads, especially in BLIND turns?
You instigate reckless driving and implore drivers to just go balls to the wall and trust the car in the corners... Really?
It's at the Anglesey circuit rather than a public road - so ok in my bookDo you think this is something that you, or anyone for that matter, should do on public roads, especially in BLIND turns?
You instigate reckless driving and implore drivers to just go balls to the wall and trust the car in the corners... Really?
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