RE: Nissan Signal Shield aims to reduce smartphone use
Discussion
Ex Boy Racer said:
The ones that really get me are the drivers who zig zag through busy motorways using all three lanes, at speed, to dodge through busy traffic.
Agreed...which would be DWDCAA...which would only need a flesh-and-blood trafpol on the road to detect and pull-over.Now...where did all the trafpol go?!?
It is not imperative to use a mobile whilst in motion. Either hand held or handsfree.
A smart system that detects vehicle motion and blocks/disables phones. Back it up with an alert to say incoming message/call to prompt pulling over to deal with it.
Same should apply to motorcycles and bicycles.
Passenger use?
Tough luck. Buses etc are ok but how many calls necessitate use whilst on the move? What is an emergency? If a 999 call is needed then build in an override into the control software.
Bottom line is "Just pull over to use the phone".
Penalties for use should be increased.
Also reduce the gadgets in cars that a driver has access to and simplify the basic ones.
A smart system that detects vehicle motion and blocks/disables phones. Back it up with an alert to say incoming message/call to prompt pulling over to deal with it.
Same should apply to motorcycles and bicycles.
Passenger use?
Tough luck. Buses etc are ok but how many calls necessitate use whilst on the move? What is an emergency? If a 999 call is needed then build in an override into the control software.
Bottom line is "Just pull over to use the phone".
Penalties for use should be increased.
Also reduce the gadgets in cars that a driver has access to and simplify the basic ones.
I've got the new Nissan Juke with the armrest it is a good idea to have to put ur phone in whiles driving so nobody can ring u bu there is also a space under the console to put ur fone if u wan people to call u or if u wanna connect ur phone to play music the full car ain't a signal blocker it's just the arm rest I love the car
Shawn3101 said:
I've got the new Nissan Juke with the armrest it is a good idea to have to put ur phone in whiles driving so nobody can ring u bu there is also a space under the console to put ur fone if u wan people to call u or if u wanna connect ur phone to play music the full car ain't a signal blocker it's just the arm rest I love the car
Sent from my iPhone.Whatever helps.
Out on the road, it's clear to me that a vast share of the driving demographic uses their phone while driving. As someone said above, I'm not too bothered by those making a call, but by those who are looking down on the phone and taking at least 1 second away from driving.
It scares the s
t out of me.
And yet we believe that autonomous cars will be somewhat less safe than these morons.
Out on the road, it's clear to me that a vast share of the driving demographic uses their phone while driving. As someone said above, I'm not too bothered by those making a call, but by those who are looking down on the phone and taking at least 1 second away from driving.
It scares the s
t out of me.And yet we believe that autonomous cars will be somewhat less safe than these morons.
I think this may be another situation where over-regulation could actually be making the problem worse?
Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
Andy S15 said:
I think this may be another situation where over-regulation could actually be making the problem worse?
Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
Don't you be coming on here with those dangerously radical ideas.Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
On the one hand, its good to see a manufacturer starting to think about ways to prevent phone use in cars.
But, if there is one that has been proven time and time again, you cant have voluntary solutions to these problems. Take smart motorways, they do exactly the same thing as the old matrix signs used to do, but they work because the speed limit they display is backed up by a speed camera on the backside of the gantry.
If people dont have enough self control not to look at there phones whilst driving, then they are not going to put their phones into a signal shield.
Cars need to be made so that they block phone signals going anywhere, other than to the cars 'infotainment' system. That way, you can still receive calls and texts, but only though an approved hands free route.
But, if there is one that has been proven time and time again, you cant have voluntary solutions to these problems. Take smart motorways, they do exactly the same thing as the old matrix signs used to do, but they work because the speed limit they display is backed up by a speed camera on the backside of the gantry.
If people dont have enough self control not to look at there phones whilst driving, then they are not going to put their phones into a signal shield.
Cars need to be made so that they block phone signals going anywhere, other than to the cars 'infotainment' system. That way, you can still receive calls and texts, but only though an approved hands free route.
Shawn3101 said:
I've got the new Nissan Juke with the armrest it is a good idea to have to put ur phone in whiles driving so nobody can ring u bu there is also a space under the console to put ur fone if u wan people to call u or if u wanna connect ur phone to play music the full car ain't a signal blocker it's just the arm rest I love the car
Looks like the signal blocker is interfering with your grasp of English.Andy S15 said:
I think this may be another situation where over-regulation could actually be making the problem worse?
Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
I like the lateral thinking, but I very much doubt it:-Would we maybe see less incidents if use of mobiles was unrestricted, then you could actually hold the phone up in-front of your view and basically look at both things at once? A lot of the issue with phone related accidents is because people are looking down/away from their direction of travel to interact with their phone as they are trying to hide it.
Seems to me like it could be a case of never being able to fully stop people doing it, so the law isn't working. It'd be seen as a risky approach but might it actually reduce accidents?
1) The eye doesn't work that way - if you're looking at your phone anything at a distance 'behind it' will be very out-of-focus. The rods/cones work differently, and the corners of the eyes pick up motion best, which is stuff coming from the sides anyway.
2) If you're texting / surfing the net your eyes are VERY concentrated on that (because there's lots of detail to take in - reading is actually a very complex activity), rather than wandering as happens in more general day-to-day activities. There could be a circus crossing in front of you and you'd never notice...
3) Driving, in an emergency, needs 2 hands. If one is holding a phone (or similar), and you need to suddenly swerve, you're less-likely to avoid the obstacle and more likely not to keep control if you do avoid it. If the 2nd hand is on the armrest/windowsill it's got a chance of getting to the wheel. If it's got a phone / drink / similar in it, very unlikely.
4) The issue with phone use is mental distraction as much as visual distraction...which is the issue with phone calls. If you're THINKING about a conversation, you're not THINKING about how to deal with all the potential hazards the road is throwing at you and little stuff like road signs / changes in speed limit.
(As an example - I'm sure we've all found ourselves once in a while 'on autopilot' on the commute to work - mulling over something that's been bothering us - and unable to remember the last few minutes drive. Even a hands-free conversation is similar in effect on your level of road-concentration. Now apply that to the sort of people who always drive on autopilot and reduce their concentration further...)
This is about acceptability, like drink-driving was. Hands-free in limited use is probably OK, and you'll never ban it because there's too many issues with a complete ban. Beyond that we need to make holding a mobile phone or being majorly distracted by it a real social no-no - the sort where passengers are happy to say "what the **** are you doing mate, put it down".
Which is difficult, as:-
- For many, not least the millennials, the smart-phone has become an extension of the self;
- Modern cars seem to be trying to throw more distractions at us themselves - OBCs now display 20 different data sets, touch-screens are a PITA to use on the move, everything 'bings' at you;
- In a few years stuff like Google Glass will be more widespread - how the **** do you police that?!?
Dumbest idea ever. If you're disciplined enough to put it in the box, you really ought to be disciplined enough not to pick it up whilst you're driving. Or, just turn the thing onto airplane mode. But again, this requires discipline and, more importantly, a desire to want to *not* pick the goddamned thing up.
I have a smartphone of course and I would struggle to work without it, but honestly, I think these things are becoming the bane of our lives. The number of times people have walked into me because they're too busy updating some pointless status, sharing some inane picture or meme ... and all I'm thinking is "Look at what you're missing with your face in that screen". I'd start with a ban on them for anyone under 18 (I'm not being serious), as the prolific use of them in pre-teens and teens genuinely worries me about the future of global society!
I have a smartphone of course and I would struggle to work without it, but honestly, I think these things are becoming the bane of our lives. The number of times people have walked into me because they're too busy updating some pointless status, sharing some inane picture or meme ... and all I'm thinking is "Look at what you're missing with your face in that screen". I'd start with a ban on them for anyone under 18 (I'm not being serious), as the prolific use of them in pre-teens and teens genuinely worries me about the future of global society!
How about a proximity sensor in the steering wheel that somehow connects to and stops the functions of any phone within arms length other than via the handsfree. All new phones have to have the technology by law as do all new cars. Job done.
The driver can still make calls on his legal hands free. He can't do anything else. Everyone else in the car can use their phones normally. Everyone's happy.
Of course I have no idea at all how on earth this could be done, but seems to satisfy most of what we need for safer roads.
The driver can still make calls on his legal hands free. He can't do anything else. Everyone else in the car can use their phones normally. Everyone's happy.
Of course I have no idea at all how on earth this could be done, but seems to satisfy most of what we need for safer roads.
Thanks Nissan, but I'm pretty sure that nothing would make me 'enjoy' driving a Juke.
A passive thing like this will only work for people who are willing to put their phones down, ie those people that don't need it. How about making registering the drivers phone on Bluetooth part of the start procedure then automatically disabling the text, voice and internet until the car is stationary and engine off, or unless the car detects sudden changes in the event of an accident when it auto dials the emergency services?
A passive thing like this will only work for people who are willing to put their phones down, ie those people that don't need it. How about making registering the drivers phone on Bluetooth part of the start procedure then automatically disabling the text, voice and internet until the car is stationary and engine off, or unless the car detects sudden changes in the event of an accident when it auto dials the emergency services?
How about we stop trying to find black-or-white technical solutions to problems which are the epitomy of 'shades of grey'.
After all, the above approach gave us speed cameras, and the proliferation thereof (fixed, mobile, average, variable...) at the expense of flesh-and-blood trafpol, and look where that's got us on the roads!?!
After all, the above approach gave us speed cameras, and the proliferation thereof (fixed, mobile, average, variable...) at the expense of flesh-and-blood trafpol, and look where that's got us on the roads!?!
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