RE: Ford GT: Review
Discussion
tankplanker said:
I just love the way it looks, but I can't get over the engine choice in a $420k car. It would be a different car at $200k but even at that price point most of its rivals would still have a turbo charged V8. I can't see the engine choice impacting sales but I can see it impacting the long term appeal of the car.
This probably has little relevance for the road car, but i was at Spa last weekend, the Ford was easily the s
ttiest sounding GTE car out there, its just a loud drone compared to the scream/rasp/rumble from the 488/911/VantageMDL111 said:
I agree regarding the engine - bit of a let down - on the other hand people are paying similar money for various RS Porsches with 6-cyl engines (4.0 RS, GT2 RS etc - ignoring vintage cars obviously)
The current GT3 and GT3 RS engines are epic NA flat 6s that rev to ~9k, the ultimate development of a life time of the flat 6 in the 911. The GT is a twin turbo V6 out of a (very quick) truck that has been worked on rather than a NA V8 that the GT is historically associated with. Couple that with the RRP of the GT3 being £110k, near enough a third of the price of the GT it simply doesn't have the money per car to bespoke everything. I would also be surprised if you could buy a GT anywhere near the RRP at present.
Haters always gonna hate because it's a Ford, it could come with turbo lasers and dispense gold from the glovebox and they will still be hating. Ford have smashed it out of the park with this one. They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
great_kahn said:
They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
They designed a prototype car which falls just within GTE spec, and needed waivers to even be allowed to compete. They then sandbagged and abused the BoP process to gain an advantage there for LM as well, and to top it off, tried to get the one Ferrari on the podium black-flagged for a non-operational position light (as in, the led lights down the side of the car showing what place a car is in, purely for spectator convenience)Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
You could opt for one of these instead and pocket a lot of change:
http://www.superformanceuk.com/gt40.php
https://drivetribe.com/p/BgFkoD4ATFOY9ZG19RaRGA?ii...
It's not a kit car, it's factory built and is a "genuine" continuation GT40. (I know it would get murdered by a modern sports car on track....)
(P.S. How is it that a modern race car with lashings of carbon fibre, V6 TT etc weighs perhaps 100 to 200kg more than the 1966 MkII with a big block 7 litre from a Ford Galaxie truck (though shows that the current 3.5l V6 does have a precedent with its truck origins!))
http://www.superformanceuk.com/gt40.php
https://drivetribe.com/p/BgFkoD4ATFOY9ZG19RaRGA?ii...
It's not a kit car, it's factory built and is a "genuine" continuation GT40. (I know it would get murdered by a modern sports car on track....)
(P.S. How is it that a modern race car with lashings of carbon fibre, V6 TT etc weighs perhaps 100 to 200kg more than the 1966 MkII with a big block 7 litre from a Ford Galaxie truck (though shows that the current 3.5l V6 does have a precedent with its truck origins!))
Vitorio said:
great_kahn said:
They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
They designed a prototype car which falls just within GTE spec, and needed waivers to even be allowed to compete. They then sandbagged and abused the BoP process to gain an advantage there for LM as well, and to top it off, tried to get the one Ferrari on the podium black-flagged for a non-operational position light (as in, the led lights down the side of the car showing what place a car is in, purely for spectator convenience)Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
One of the richest car companies in the world, makes a barely compliant prototype, abusing as many rules as possible.
Vitorio said:
great_kahn said:
They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
They designed a prototype car which falls just within GTE spec, and needed waivers to even be allowed to compete. They then sandbagged and abused the BoP process to gain an advantage there for LM as well, and to top it off, tried to get the one Ferrari on the podium black-flagged for a non-operational position light (as in, the led lights down the side of the car showing what place a car is in, purely for spectator convenience)Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
If you think Ferrari, Porsche and Aston don't do the same things (albeit less publicly) then you're dreaming.
I thought the allowance of being able to homologate the car without actually having built any other examples was a bit kind, but Ford wanted the 40th Anniversary thing going on, so I can see why the ACO did it in the end. After all, having another manufacturer in GTE isn't a bad thing.
Now that the BoP has swung back it looks like Ferrari at least are competitive with them this season, and hopefully Porsche will get the 911 sorted soon.
Interesting first drive video here from Steve Sutcliff. As a track weapon it looks great but not much of a street car. And look how cramped and low rent does that interior look for a £450k car.
What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 12th May 10:30
great_kahn said:
Haters always gonna hate because it's a Ford, it could come with turbo lasers and dispense gold from the glovebox and they will still be hating. Ford have smashed it out of the park with this one. They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
lol If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
I think it looks great, I saw the racecar doing the rounds at some local dealerships, very impressive.
great_kahn said:
Haters always gonna hate because it's a Ford, it could come with turbo lasers and dispense gold from the glovebox and they will still be hating. Ford have smashed it out of the park with this one. They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
I couldn't care less whether it's Ford or not... as a road car, the review says there's better out from a quarter to half the price. Granted if given the chance I would probably be blown away by the what it can do but... though clearly not rubbish, visually, it just doesn't appeal to me. I can admire it and what has been achieved but I don't feel an ounce of want for it.If only you could run this thing on the tears of macca, porka and fezza fanboys, free fuel for life.
Vitorio said:
They designed a prototype car which falls just within GTE spec, and needed waivers to even be allowed to compete. They then sandbagged and abused the BoP process to gain an advantage there for LM as well, and to top it off, tried to get the one Ferrari on the podium black-flagged for a non-operational position light (as in, the led lights down the side of the car showing what place a car is in, purely for spectator convenience)
Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
Salty, and yet so very very sweet.Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
Streetrod said:
Interesting first drive video here from Steve Sutcliff. As a track weapon it looks great but not much of a street car. And look how cramped and low rent does that interior look for a £450k car.
What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
Academic considering they are sold out 6 times over. What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 12th May 10:30
Vitorio said:
great_kahn said:
They went racing against companies who build race cars year in year out and destroyed them at their own game.
They designed a prototype car which falls just within GTE spec, and needed waivers to even be allowed to compete. They then sandbagged and abused the BoP process to gain an advantage there for LM as well, and to top it off, tried to get the one Ferrari on the podium black-flagged for a non-operational position light (as in, the led lights down the side of the car showing what place a car is in, purely for spectator convenience)Ford abused and bent every rule they could for a PR exercise.
Secondly, I watched 95% of the 2016 Le Mans race. Ford tried to get the Ferrari to pit for not displaying running numbers – because Ferrari had made the same call against one of the Ford cars earlier in the race resulting in a lengthy stay in the pits to dismantle the door. Ferrari took a gamble when their running light failed – and lost. The Ford/Ferrari grudge match continues… and long may it. It is this sort of stuff that can sometimes make motorsports interesting – and all manufacturers look for a bend in the rules… some more successfully and illicit than others.
As for the sandbagging – I’ve read lots of stuff about that. Were Ford playing the game? Maybe. Were they running a brand new car under largely untested race conditions for the first time? Yes. Was there a fair bit of gloating initially from the likes of GM when the Ford failed to finish the early races? Yes.
Overall, I still think the GT is a great addition to the GT race classes that it runs in.
great_kahn said:
Streetrod said:
Interesting first drive video here from Steve Sutcliff. As a track weapon it looks great but not much of a street car. And look how cramped and low rent does that interior look for a £450k car.
What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
Academic considering they are sold out 6 times over. What I find interesting is that Ford chose to buy a McLaren 675LT to benchmark the GT against to make sure it would be faster that than the LT on track. The problem is that the LT is last year’s model. The 720s some are saying is faster than the LT on the road and very close on the track. Ford could find themselves behind the pack way quickly once the 720LT and the 488 Speciale appear, both of which are likely to be considerably cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRDux18bK0
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 12th May 10:30
So I have watched all the reviews now and the conclusions are virtually the same. A great track car but very compromised as a streetcar.
I know Shmee150 has one coming, but would it be the kind of car you would chose to do a continental drive in, I suspect not. Just the noise would probably require ear protection for a sustained drive plus at 16mpg and a max 0f 150 miles per tank on a good day your mates are going to get very bored with you having to fill up at every opportunity.
So in conclusion I thinks it’s a very expensive one trick pony, I don’t think the likes of Ferrari and McLaren are going to be too worried by this upstart
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