RE: New Sandero R.S. 2.0 announced... for Brazil
Discussion
They are bloody lucky in Brazil, they also get the Renault Oroch (Duster crewcab Pick-up), neither of which will every make it to the UK shores as Renault wont let the Dacia brand overlap too much with its UK sales. One of the reason we won't see the Dacia 7 seater Lodgy or the Dokker.
great_kahn said:
J4CKO said:
Not sure why one of the cheaper manufacturers cant produce a value hot hatch with decent power, for example this or say an MG3 with 250 bhp for 13/14 grand or so ?
Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
250bhp would fold it in half. 1.5 turbo they have with 180bhp would be more than enough.Surely its not that hard to generate power, not that hard to get them to handle, the MG3 is a decent handler in standard form, might not be Reanultsport or Golf Clubsport level but a cheap and cheerful properly quick hatch would do well.
xjay1337 said:
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't get the appeal of these cars.
Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
The exact same reason why hot hatches became popular in the first place.Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
They are cheap but very, very nasty inside and it's really a case of you get what you pay for.
Some people just want something simple, which is Dacia's selling point. Surely you can see the appeal there? This just introduces a bit of pace which adds to the fun-factor. The interior of this particular model looks far from nasty, if you ask me anyway.
xjay1337 said:
it's really a case of you get what you pay for.
That's the reason behind it!And I get it. I've had more and less expensive cars, nicer and less nice cars. And my favourites have all been the ones that aren't considered to be nice. Not necessarily because they're better or worse, but probably something to do with my perception of what they should be.
I think it's just one of those things - each man chooses what appeals to him, and I find the Sandero a very appealing little car in basic spec. I really take some delight in the relatively basic approach
sidaorb said:
They are bloody lucky in Brazil, they also get the Renault Oroch (Duster crewcab Pick-up), neither of which will every make it to the UK shores as Renault wont let the Dacia brand overlap too much with its UK sales. One of the reason we won't see the Dacia 7 seater Lodgy or the Dokker.
Not forgetting they also get Brazilian women 
I think a 1.2 turbo with about 120bhp in one of these would sell pretty well in the UK. Chuck in an insurance deal and we'd have the new Citroen Saxo VTR/VTS.
daemon said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Is it not basically a cheapened N/A Clio 200
No.Given the competition locally, not surprised this is a best seller. Brazil hasn't had a hot hatch since the VW Gol GTI in the late 80s , and the Palio 'Sporting' is probably the closest thing to a hot hatch these days (go faster stripes and garish colours).
So given there's no competition, Renault have the market to themselves!
So given there's no competition, Renault have the market to themselves!
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't get the appeal of these cars.
Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
The exact same reason why hot hatches became popular in the first place.Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
They are cheap but very, very nasty inside and it's really a case of you get what you pay for.
Some people just want something simple, which is Dacia's selling point. Surely you can see the appeal there? This just introduces a bit of pace which adds to the fun-factor. The interior of this particular model looks far from nasty, if you ask me anyway.
You'd also have a small fortune left over to spend on fixing the common issues and putting decent suspension, brakes and tyres on it.
I understand the point of a basic Sandero for example. But why would you buy a fast version of a cheap car, when there are better cars out there for the money, which drive just as nice, if not better, are better built, and better equipped.
culpz said:
daemon said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Is it not basically a cheapened N/A Clio 200
No.And the clio had pretty much bespoke RS spec'd suspension, suspension arms, driveshafts, brakes (Brembo), bodywork (only the doors and roof skin (and maybe the bootlid) were the same as the standard car)), driveshafts, gearbox, radiator, injection system, exhaust system, induction system.
In fact, very little of the original car was used.
This is a Sandero with a mildly interesting but underpowered 2.0 under the bonnet and some naff go faster stripes.
Its like looking at a 316i BMW and saying its like a cheapened M3.
xjay1337 said:
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
culpz said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't get the appeal of these cars.
Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
The exact same reason why hot hatches became popular in the first place.Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
They are cheap but very, very nasty inside and it's really a case of you get what you pay for.
Some people just want something simple, which is Dacia's selling point. Surely you can see the appeal there? This just introduces a bit of pace which adds to the fun-factor. The interior of this particular model looks far from nasty, if you ask me anyway.
You'd also have a small fortune left over to spend on fixing the common issues and putting decent suspension, brakes and tyres on it.
I understand the point of a basic Sandero for example. But why would you buy a fast version of a cheap car, when there are better cars out there for the money, which drive just as nice, if not better, are better built, and better equipped.
xjay1337 said:
I don't get the appeal of these cars.
Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
I agree with the rest of what you said, for the most part. Although, comparing old cars to new is something that doesn't really register with me. Part of the appeal is that it's a new car, under warranty, yet doesn't cost the earth and regardless of depreciation, it doesn't cost that much in the first place to be too bothered about the initial plummet in value.Sure they are cheap, but my god they are horrible.
It celebrates the old hot-hatch recipe too. I love all the new turbo hatches but alot of them have just gone a bit too far. Going back to light, small, revvy and fun cars has to be celebrated. It shouldn't just be all about power. That's not what hot-hatches are about but that theory is clearly is no more.
daemon said:
culpz said:
daemon said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Is it not basically a cheapened N/A Clio 200
No.And the clio had pretty much bespoke RS spec'd suspension, suspension arms, driveshafts, brakes (Brembo), bodywork (only the doors and roof skin (and maybe the bootlid) were the same as the standard car)), driveshafts, gearbox, radiator, injection system, exhaust system, induction system.
In fact, very little of the original car was used.
This is a Sandero with a mildly interesting but underpowered 2.0 under the bonnet and some naff go faster stripes.
Its like looking at a 316i BMW and saying its like a cheapened M3.
However, in terms of a brand new offering, no hot Clio is ever going to be as hardcore as the old 197/200. So, going back to the old-school recipe and taking a few little tips from the old 200, this is no bad effort at all. Certainly much more appealing that the new MK4 Clio 200T. I think Renault know that and don't still don't want to admit defeat, even after basically stating that the new Fiesta ST walks all over it.
I personally think these would sell quite well over here.
culpz said:
Looking at it that way, that's a fair enough. Point taken
However, in terms of a brand new offering, no hot Clio is ever going to be as hardcore as the old 197/200. So, going back to the old-school recipe and taking a few little tips from the old 200, this is no bad effort at all. Certainly much more appealing that the new MK4 Clio 200T. I think Renault know that and don't still don't want to admit defeat, even after basically stating that the new Fiesta ST walks all over it.
I personally think these would sell quite well over here.
Agreed. Theres a market for something like this, but if it was say, £13K, how many people would walk past a year old Fiesta ST to own one?However, in terms of a brand new offering, no hot Clio is ever going to be as hardcore as the old 197/200. So, going back to the old-school recipe and taking a few little tips from the old 200, this is no bad effort at all. Certainly much more appealing that the new MK4 Clio 200T. I think Renault know that and don't still don't want to admit defeat, even after basically stating that the new Fiesta ST walks all over it.
I personally think these would sell quite well over here.
daemon said:
Agreed. Theres a market for something like this, but if it was say, £13K, how many people would walk past a year old Fiesta ST to own one?
Like you said, there's a market for it. People that want something like this probably won't be looking at the Fiesta ST. There are still people out there that are the buying the Swift Sport in it's current form while they can before it all changes with the new model.daemon said:
Uh huh.
And the clio had pretty much bespoke RS spec'd suspension, suspension arms, driveshafts, brakes (Brembo), bodywork (only the doors and roof skin (and maybe the bootlid) were the same as the standard car)), driveshafts, gearbox, radiator, injection system, exhaust system, induction system.
In fact, very little of the original car was used.
This is a Sandero with a mildly interesting but underpowered 2.0 under the bonnet and some naff go faster stripes.
Its like looking at a 316i BMW and saying its like a cheapened M3.
Exactly! No idea why people are getting excited. Not only does it look ridiculous, but slapping on a RS badge does not suddenly turn it into an amazing hot hatch.And the clio had pretty much bespoke RS spec'd suspension, suspension arms, driveshafts, brakes (Brembo), bodywork (only the doors and roof skin (and maybe the bootlid) were the same as the standard car)), driveshafts, gearbox, radiator, injection system, exhaust system, induction system.
In fact, very little of the original car was used.
This is a Sandero with a mildly interesting but underpowered 2.0 under the bonnet and some naff go faster stripes.
Its like looking at a 316i BMW and saying its like a cheapened M3.
hondansx said:
Exactly! No idea why people are getting excited. Not only does it look ridiculous, but slapping on a RS badge does not suddenly turn it into an amazing hot hatch.
I would be excited, if it was coming to the UK that is. It looks great in my eyes. I also think it's rude to judge it just yet, seeing as no-one has even driven it, yourself included.Amazing how an opinion works, isn't it? Also, giving a hatchback a load of power doesn't automatically make it an amazing hot-hatch either.
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