RE: The Toyota GT86 is more relevant than ever: TMIW

[doogle83]

otolith said:

doogle83 said:

I want a 2+2 though for occasional child carrying duty so what are my options? (I don't want a hot hatch).

Well, for only £500 more than the top spec GT86, you could have a bottom of the range Audi TT with the 180ps engine, no options and flat paint. OK, it's just a hatchback platform underneath, and it's got less power, but its turbocharged with a flat torque curve so you won't have to get too involved in driving it, it will have loads of grip, and being German it is in no way too expensive or sporty looking for the performance. And there's probably a competitive finance package.

My searching is finally over! I'll probably get a decent trade in on my dull as dishwater to drive S3 as well

[Gary C]

Max_Torque said:

The things we KNOW:

1) the dash86/BRZ is not a big seller.


So, what are the reasons for this? I think they include all the following:


2) Not practical enough compared to the (increasingly brilliant) hot hatch alternative

Not saying your wrong in anyway, but the 'increasingly brilliant' hot hatch is not my view of hot hatch's.

They seem to be increasingly irrelevant to me. I know your comment was in the context of practicality but I don't want a practical hatch with huge power and ability, a £200 polo is all I need to cart stuff to the tip.

Sorry, not really being clear. A 180hp Golf GTi was a great hot hatch, small, quick and practical, but a Golf R ?, no interest to me at all.

Hatchbacks seem to be going the way of the rally rep, over powered, over capable and a wee bit one trick pony dull.

Now the 86, yep its over priced in some ways in that for less than 20k it would be much more successful, or 250hp would match its price point better psychologically, or (real clincher) if the PCP deals were as good as other manufactures it would sell better.

But its going to be in my drive at the end of next year rather than a hot hatch to sit along side my 911.

[CABC]

doogle83 said:

My searching is finally over! I'll probably get a decent trade in on my dull as dishwater to drive S3 as well

rather than fighting via k/brd, which daemon seems to dedicate his life to... can you explain why you liked your S3. i don't think it's my kind of car, but i'm happy to listen to someone explain their experience to me.

(full disclosure: i often drive nice vag stuff to Goodwood events. Not because i would buy them myself, but with the traffic i see them as competent and easy. that's not such a dismissive comment. last year i drove a TT instead of a GT40 Recreation. i'll get my coat...)

[doogle83]

CABC said:

doogle83 said:

My searching is finally over! I'll probably get a decent trade in on my dull as dishwater to drive S3 as well

rather than fighting via k/brd, which daemon seems to dedicate his life to... can you explain why you liked your S3. i don't think it's my kind of car, but i'm happy to listen to someone explain their experience to me.

(full disclosure: i often drive nice vag stuff to Goodwood events. Not because i would buy them myself, but with the traffic i see them as competent and easy. that's not such a dismissive comment. last year i drove a TT instead of a GT40 Recreation. i'll get my coat...)

I don't particularly like my S3, I've owned it 9 months and want a change already. It is fast off the lights but that's about it, front heavy, no steering feel, understeer (read, everything you've ever read about fast audis :P)... Up until 2 months ago it was paired on my drive with an S2000 which did weekend blasts and sunny day commuting. The S3 did the daily grind otherwise and occasional family duty (Main family car was a Crv, as of last weekend it is now a Seat Leon).

I'm going back to a single car garage and having done test drives in an M135i I want something slower that I can push more without the risk of losing my licence and that has a lot more feel than the S3. Only other real requirement is it needs back seats I can fit an 18 month old child in once or twice a month... basically, I want my DC2 Integra back and if Honda still made them new I'd be down there with my money in a shot!

(I'm looking at buying used FWIW)

[venquessa]

Blayney said:

"As you trust the front end, so you begin to bring the rear into play. The GT86 corners flat, far more so than the Mazda, so things begin to happen as soon as you've loaded up the chassis. And yes, sometimes there's a touch of understeer, but, once you've identified this through your fingertips, you need only relax your toes to balance the chassis. From that point, with the front and rear tyres sharing equal load, you can feed in more power and tighten your cornering line with the rear wheels. It'll do this around virtually any corner, and while that outright lack of grip means an average hot hatch would soon be several turns ahead, it's deeply satisfying to string together a sequence of bends, the Toyota seemingly on tip-toes, always a throttle movement away from a few more degrees of rotation."

Yep. Exactly how I remember it being on track. No need to go all motor journalist on it and drift around. When treated with respect to balance is exquisite, tactile and sublime. It just likes the play, even before it gets to it's limit you can change the angle the car sits at with the throttle. Even at road speeds, 60mph round country bends you can literally see the chassis move and rotate as you come on and off the throttle. It's great craic.

Actually like a puppy on too much sugar it's trying to stop it being playful on a cold wet winter Monday morning is more challenging.

[venquessa]

M-SportMatt said:

Its not fast enough. Only last night on the way home from work I had one up my tailpipe on a bit of DC, I pulled in to take a slip, he then barrels past and forces his way in in front of me so as we both pull off the slip at around 35-40mph onto another DC I can see him itching to make progress but I get over to the right first and let him have it full throttle, so a side by side rolling start and he's left trailing by a good margin........in my 5 year old 320d with roofbars and bike on top, auto, not in sport mode.

Awww shucks, I'm sure he was upset and wish he owned a diesel barge like you. I bet he rushes to the dealership and buys one. No, I don't think so. The next time he gets to a roundabout he will be feeling sorry for you.

[DoubleD]

venquessa said:

M-SportMatt said:

Its not fast enough. Only last night on the way home from work I had one up my tailpipe on a bit of DC, I pulled in to take a slip, he then barrels past and forces his way in in front of me so as we both pull off the slip at around 35-40mph onto another DC I can see him itching to make progress but I get over to the right first and let him have it full throttle, so a side by side rolling start and he's left trailing by a good margin........in my 5 year old 320d with roofbars and bike on top, auto, not in sport mode.

Awww shucks, I'm sure he was upset and wish he owned a diesel barge like you. I bet he rushes to the dealership and buys one. No, I don't think so. The next time he gets to a roundabout he will be feeling sorry for you.

They are different cars designed to do different things. They will both have their good points and their bad points.

[anonymous-user]

venquessa said:

M-SportMatt said:

Its not fast enough. Only last night on the way home from work I had one up my tailpipe on a bit of DC, I pulled in to take a slip, he then barrels past and forces his way in in front of me so as we both pull off the slip at around 35-40mph onto another DC I can see him itching to make progress but I get over to the right first and let him have it full throttle, so a side by side rolling start and he's left trailing by a good margin........in my 5 year old 320d with roofbars and bike on top, auto, not in sport mode.

Awww shucks, I'm sure he was upset and wish he owned a diesel barge like you. I bet he rushes to the dealership and buys one. No, I don't think so. The next time he gets to a roundabout he will be feeling sorry for you.

Thing is, a 320d is actually a lot of fun on roundabout too ;-)

[venquessa]

I have to say I found the Primacies a little lacking in a wet field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7Wp5bIQQ4

[venquessa]

DoubleD said:

They are different cars designed to do different things. They will both have their good points and their bad points.

Correct and someone driving a GT86 is probably not going to be interested in what a 320d can do. I'm sure there are exceptions.

[DoubleD]

venquessa said:

DoubleD said:

They are different cars designed to do different things. They will both have their good points and their bad points.

Correct and someone driving a GT86 is probably not going to be interested in what a 320d can do. I'm sure there are exceptions.

I would imagine most 320d drivers couldnt give a damn what a GT86 can or cant do either.

[venquessa]

DoubleD said:

I would imagine most 320d drivers couldnt give a damn what a GT86 can or cant do either.

Touche.

[daemon]

venquessa said:

DoubleD said:

They are different cars designed to do different things. They will both have their good points and their bad points.

Correct and someone driving a GT86 is probably not going to be interested in what a 320d can do. I'm sure there are exceptions.

Except maybe when its outdragging him down a DC?

[Gary C]

daemon said:

venquessa said:

DoubleD said:

They are different cars designed to do different things. They will both have their good points and their bad points.

Correct and someone driving a GT86 is probably not going to be interested in what a 320d can do. I'm sure there are exceptions.

Except maybe when its outdragging him down a DC?

As a former owner of an rx8 that could probably be out dragged by most of the cars held up to embarrass the 86, I didn't care. I had more fun on my own than playing race car on the road. My interest is if the engine has enough power to exploit the chassis.

Why would anyone care that your car can be out dragged by a diesel rep mobile ?, I mean really, why does it matter ?

[otolith]

Gary C said:

Why would anyone care that your car can be out dragged by a diesel rep mobile ?, I mean really, why does it matter ?

Apparently your cock will fall off as a result.

[RBH58]

I heard this was true!

[rallycross]

otolith said:

Apparently your cock will fall off as a result.

slowly.
with synthesized sound.
and a replacement will only be available at very high interest rates.
As per Gt86.

I am one of the few people on this thread to have driven one and decided it was crap, if you have not driven one (300 bhp moron) STFU.

[venquessa]

rallycross said:

slowly.
with synthesized sound.
and a replacement will only be available at very high interest rates.
As per Gt86.

The sound pipe is not synthesised if that's what you mean. The interest rates on the PCP deals are actually very low.

Not everyone has taste.

[M-SportMatt]

venquessa said:

Correct and someone driving a GT86 is probably not going to be interested in what a 320d can do. I'm sure there are exceptions.

He was caring quite a bit trying to show me how fast he was.......he was clearly a bell end but my point is doubly proven, it was nowhere in a straight line against a 'boring repmobile'

Granted he may take the next island like a ballerina on tiptoes but after a few miles of that with a queue of diesel insignias hassling him to get past it must get boring, especially at that price.

If it had another 70bhp or so and was around 23k from the online discounters like broadspeed it would be a much more interesting proposition.

I bet they will be a popular used buy in 5 years when there's a few available at attractive money

[DoubleD]

venquessa said:

Not everyone has taste.

You mean different people have different taste