Police pull over 'two abrest' cyclists - argument ensues

[FiF]

These threads do bring out the stty attitudes around the place.

[johnwilliams77]

optimate said:

I find cyclists bloody annoying and most have the observation of a lemon. that said the cop was a absolute tool

if id been on a push bike riding it would have simply told the cop to do one and if he don't like he aint getting my details and he would have to arrest me and explain it at the station in fount of the desk and my solicitor and i would refuse any ticket

theirs no way the cps would run that. that's said theirs more chance of winning the lotto and getting struck by lighting, riding through some rocking house st that ever seeing me pedaling a push bike.

speaking of cyclists there was so many plastic community police numptiys on push bikes in one town near me with the observation of a heard of sheep. I manged to turn rolling up behind em at the light and backfiring the Harley into a new sport

Oh check you out. Wouldn't give out your details?
We got a badass here!

Good analogys too: obvservation of a lemon/herd of sheep, wtf

[optimate]

johnwilliams77 said:

Oh check you out. Wouldn't give out your details?
We got a badass here!

Good analogys too: obvservation of a lemon/herd of sheep, wtf

sorry but i don't feed the trolls
try harder

[Pete Eroleum]

NinjaPower said:

Despite not being a cyclist, I would actually support the introduction of those signs and associated rules/laws.

At least everyone would know where they stood, and it would stop car drivers 'squeezing past' cyclists while there was insufficient room or oncoming traffic.

I think half the problem we have is our vague instructions to motorists on how to deal with cyclists. It doesn't do anyone any good.

No it wont. There will always be a large percentage of drivers who will drive however they want. Until traffic police are a common sight on
the roads again, new rules that can't be enforced by cameras are a waste of time.

[saaby93]

Obviously if drivers are squeezing past and no-one comes to any harm, there is sufficient room
Same when cyclists squeeze past - at what distance is it a squeeze
Will someone stop making up problems that dont exist

I asked above if two cyclists are filling one side, is it possible to leave 1.5 metres clearance when overtaking on most roads?

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

Obviously if drivers are squeezing past and no-one comes to any harm, there is sufficient room
Same when cyclists squeeze past - at what distance is it a squeeze
Will someone stop making up problems that dont exist

I think you're confusing good driving with relying on luck.

[Hol]

funinhounslow said:

If there wasn't enough room to overtake two cyclists side by side, then it would also have been unsafe to overtake them if they were in single file also, no?

Cars all have a 2 abreast seating layout, so it is a bit rich to get the hump with cyclists for riding in this manner if they choose.

Clearly, your mind works at an entirely different plane of reality to 'normal' cyclist and motorists, but you did forget........

Transit Vans - they have three seats.
And Buses - they have five seats along the rear row,

Five Abreast Cyclists. - just because THEY get away with it, so we should be able too as well.

Edited by Hol on Wednesday 31st May 08:37

[saaby93]

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Obviously if drivers are squeezing past and no-one comes to any harm, there is sufficient room
Same when cyclists squeeze past - at what distance is it a squeeze
Will someone stop making up problems that don't exist

I think you're confusing good driving with relying on luck.

That's only one half
Where is the crossover between good/skilled driving/cycling and luck?

[Hol]

Nanook said:

Hol said:

To answer your question it was the naff number plate thread.

I am surprised you could forget, as you were (really-really-really) insistent that you were being personally insulted, hence your username has stuck in my mind.

It was only after somebody caught on to the fact that you simply didn't understand (what everybody else automatically did) that you were asked by one poster to put up a picture of the number plate you had been arguing about for multiple posts.

Only to be told that your plate was not miss spaced, and was totally was devoid of any knobbiness.

Ring any bells?

That's not at all how I remember the thread going, so I went and had a look.

The reason I don't remember it like that, is because it didn't happen anything like that. I posted a pic of my car, asked if it was "C124PPY," 2 people said no, 2 people said nice things about my car, and that was that.

Shall we stop clogging up the thread with comments you don't quite remember from a thread I posted in 11 months ago?

Cheers

Yeah. Lets pretend that.

[optimate]

get a room you two

[Hol]

But...lightning can strike twice.

Annd.. on the positive side, a clear Wed-Thu-Fri moment stops people talking about cyclists.

[funinhounslow]

Hol said:

Clearly, your mind works at an entirely different plane of reality to 'normal' cyclist and motorists, but you did forget........

Transit Vans - they have three seats.
And Buses - they have five seats along the rear row,

Five Abreast Cyclists. - just because THEY get away with it, so we should be able too as well.

Edited by Hol on Wednesday 31st May 08:37

The point I was making (as I'm sure you know) that it is nonsensical for someone in a car (more often than not a solo occupant) to get the hump with someone on a bike for "taking up too much space" or "or getting in the way".

Just yesterday I encountered cyclists riding two abreast - a young lad, and I presume his dad, who was "shielding" the child by taking the lane. I waited until it was clear and managed to overtake them without feeling the need to berate them or hoot them like the bloke on the previous page maybe would have done.

I am starting to think we should adopt those American road signs I put up earlier - to serve as a reminder that we all chip in for the roads and we all have an equal right to use them.

[saaby93]

funinhounslow said:

we all chip in for the roads and we all have an equal right to use them.

With rights come responsibilities
Did you give the full 1.5metres?

[funinhounslow]

saaby93 said:

ith rights come responsibilities
Did you give the full 1.5metres?

Didn't have my tape measure but if he was displeased with my manoeuvre he didn't show it.

[Hol]

funinhounslow said:

Hol said:

Clearly, your mind works at an entirely different plane of reality to 'normal' cyclist and motorists, but you did forget........

Transit Vans - they have three seats.
And Buses - they have five seats along the rear row,

Five Abreast Cyclists. - just because THEY get away with it, so we should be able too as well.

Edited by Hol on Wednesday 31st May 08:37

The point I was making (as I'm sure you know) that it is nonsensical for someone in a car (more often than not a solo occupant) to get the hump with someone on a bike for "taking up too much space" or "or getting in the way".

Just yesterday I encountered cyclists riding two abreast - a young lad, and I presume his dad, who was "shielding" the child by taking the lane. I waited until it was clear and managed to overtake them without feeling the need to berate them or hoot them like the bloke on the previous page maybe would have done.

I am starting to think we should adopt those American road signs I put up earlier - to serve as a reminder that we all chip in for the roads and we all have an equal right to use them.

Totally disagree with your thought process in coming up with your personal concept.

Nobody disputes that taxpayers pay for government expenditure, but you have created a premise out of nowhere that double-width cycles equals a single width car.


In truth, its about as realistic as a driver only car demanding the right to use a cycle path or bridle way on that day, because they paid for them as well.

Unless you intend to weld the two bikes together with a 1.5m pole, they are separate vehicles.

[funinhounslow]

Hol said:

Nobody disputes that taxpayers pay for government expenditure

Well they do don't they, hence the tired old cliches about "road tax" that get trotted out regularly on threads like this

Hol said:

Unless you intend to weld the two bikes together with a 1.5m pole, they are separate vehicles.

Yes but ones which are allowed to ride side by side. I agree it would be courteous for cyclists to allow cars to overtake where safe, but having personally been overtaken on blind corners, before the brow of a hill, approaching a pinch point I would never criticise a cyclist from taking primary position (or riding two abreast) to discourage such reckless behaviour.

https://www.cyclescheme.co.uk/community/how-to/roa...

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Obviously if drivers are squeezing past and no-one comes to any harm, there is sufficient room
Same when cyclists squeeze past - at what distance is it a squeeze
Will someone stop making up problems that don't exist

I think you're confusing good driving with relying on luck.

That's only one half
Where is the crossover between good/skilled driving/cycling and luck?

The crossover is in achieving an appropriate level of safety, where that level of safety takes into account how likely it is that something will happen, and the severity of the consequences if they do.

[nickfrog]

Nanook said:

When I need to pull out on to the other side of the road to pass a parked car, I'll check my mirrors and stick on my right indicator.

Are cyclists expected to stick an arm out to indicate they're about to pull right out in front of you?

You're a very considerate driver and as such in a minority.

I don't believe the proportion of considerate drivers is higher than the proportion of considerate cyclists. I would say it's the opposite.

Once again, they're often the same people anyway, and once again most cyclists are drivers, most drivers are not cyclists. So a massive perspective advantage for the cyclists, at least.

As the number of cyclists gets to a critical mass, the minority of anti-cycling drivers will dwindle to next to nothing. Might take another few years but these debates will not exist any longer, like they don't exist in other European countries where the cycling culture has been embedded for a long time.

[saaby93]

nickfrog said:

Nanook said:

When I need to pull out on to the other side of the road to pass a parked car, I'll check my mirrors and stick on my right indicator.

Are cyclists expected to stick an arm out to indicate they're about to pull right out in front of you?

You're a very considerate driver and as such in a minority.

I don't believe the proportion of considerate drivers is higher than the proportion of considerate cyclists. I would say it's the opposite.

Once again, they're often the same people anyway, and once again most cyclists are drivers, most drivers are not cyclists. So a massive perspective advantage for the cyclists, at least.

As the number of cyclists gets to a critical mass, the minority of anti-cycling drivers will dwindle to next to nothing. Might take another few years but these debates will not exist any longer, like they don't exist in other European countries where the cycling culture has been embedded for a long time.

Missed the point
most drivers and cyclists are ok - it's just there are enough who spoil it for everyone else

Going back to the opening video
Would that have happened in say France - if so where are the youtube vids?
From both angles - cyclists riding in a way to attract attention of a Gendarme
and the ensuing 'discussion' with a Gendarme

[Rich_W]

saaby93 said:

Rich_W said:

Yep, Look on these multi threads we get here.

"as much room as a car"

I don't like it for the same reasons. too vague. Too "open to interpretation"

I know I've posted it before.

But 1m gap at 30mph or less (half your car over the white divider line)
1.5m gap at 30mph and over (whole car over the white divider line)


Makes it far more simple. I think anyway

Can you leave 1.5metres on many roads when overtaking a pair of bikes filling one side?

It's speed that matters. when it comes to distance.

If you crawl past at 25mph (assuming they are doing 20ish) then you can be closer than 1.5m Lets say 1m