Police pull over 'two abrest' cyclists - argument ensues
Discussion
NinjaPower said:
Someone just posted these to Facebook at the weekend.
Sorry I had to paint out a bit of one of the photos, someone had scrawled something offensive on them.
At least there's plenty of room to overtake here!
Surely there's nothing wrong with cycling to the left of the solid white line there?Sorry I had to paint out a bit of one of the photos, someone had scrawled something offensive on them.
At least there's plenty of room to overtake here!
When they designed this and other similar dual carriageways havent they realised bikes and other slow vehicles would use it and left a metre or so of extra tarmac?
Someone has previously said you get more 'tow' by cycling in the live lane - is that true?
saaby93 said:
Surely there's nothing wrong with cycling to the left of the solid white line there?
When they designed this and other similar dual carriageways havent they realised bikes and other slow vehicles would use it and left a metre or so of extra tarmac?
Someone has previously said you get more 'tow' by cycling in the live lane - is that true?
I agree that in an ideal world a proper bike lane should have been constructed at the same time as the road. When they designed this and other similar dual carriageways havent they realised bikes and other slow vehicles would use it and left a metre or so of extra tarmac?
Someone has previously said you get more 'tow' by cycling in the live lane - is that true?
However in the absence of one I wouldn’t want to cycle to the left of that solid white lane - there isn’t much space between the white line and angled kerb stones. Also due to the camber of the road, debris tends to get swept to the edge of the road, so to cycle there would be to invite a puncture (incidentally this is why cyclists dislike riding in the gutter in general).
Also I can guarantee that if he was to the left of that line, very few drivers in the inside lane would move over and give him room when overtaking.
I could flip the question around and say that there is nothing wrong with him cycling where he is. He is just as much a road user as someone driving a car, and just as entitled to use that road.
It is a wide road on a dry clear day - the only hazard facing that bloke on a bike is other road users who struggle with the concept of giving cyclists space.
funinhounslow said:
I could flip the question around and say that there is nothing wrong with him cycling where he is. He is just as much a road user as someone driving a car, and just as entitled to use that road.
It is a wide road on a dry clear day - the only hazard facing that bloke on a bike is other road users who struggle with the concept of giving cyclists space.
That may well be true, but you wouldn't catch me cycling on a dual carriageway like that. It looks suicidal, because many car drivers won't be expecting a cyclist (signage or not) and will be approaching at 70-odd mph. Imagine a driver in lane 1 who's taking a hands-free call or changing radio station as they approach the cyclist ...It is a wide road on a dry clear day - the only hazard facing that bloke on a bike is other road users who struggle with the concept of giving cyclists space.
Edited by SVS on Monday 5th June 13:14
Was in a car roughly here the other day:
https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
SilverSixer said:
Was in a car roughly here the other day:
https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
Depending on the height of the vehicle a bike is often higher and can see over the humps a bit more. In reality I don't know how likely the driver is to accelerate fast enough to make it work and don't want to be blamed if it goes wrong so let the car driver make their own call.https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
mcdjl said:
SilverSixer said:
Was in a car roughly here the other day:
https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
Depending on the height of the vehicle a bike is often higher and can see over the humps a bit more. In reality I don't know how likely the driver is to accelerate fast enough to make it work and don't want to be blamed if it goes wrong so let the car driver make their own call.https://goo.gl/maps/kdQJJ22SAeq
As you approach the slight bend, the view of the road ahead isn't very good, certainly not good enough to overtake anything. There is also a blind summit approaching. I came up behind two cyclists, riding two abreast. Fair enough thinks I, and I ease off, knowing there's an opportunity to pass safely after the blind summit. Won't take long. But, then the cyclists drop to single file, right up against the white line, and in fact I saw one going dangerously to the left of it, nearly ending up in the hedge. Obviously making an effort to allow me past, but from my point of view it wasn't safe as I couldn't pass safely before the summit. The rear most cyclist starts making furious waving gestures with his right hand, obviously wanting me to go past him. But I couldn't, so I didn't. Then, after the summit, and as I was passing him, he was absolutely fuming at me, literally foaming at the mouth, I assume angry that I have not done as I was told and passed dangerously.
Honestly, you just can't win.
But your last statement is the pertinent one. It was up to me, and a cyclist getting ragey that I didn't do it his way isn't going to help anyone. This pillock deliberately tried to create a dangerous overtake, nearly wobbled in to a hedge, then got annoyed when I didn't fancy it. I thought cyclists were supposed to own the lane.
SilverSixer said:
No way could he see over that summit until right on it. Don't forget the image is from a camera mounted on a pole on top of a car.
But your last statement is the pertinent one. It was up to me, and a cyclist getting ragey that I didn't do it his way isn't going to help anyone. This pillock deliberately tried to create a dangerous overtake, nearly wobbled in to a hedge, then got annoyed when I didn't fancy it. I thought cyclists were supposed to own the lane.
Be might usually drive a Ferrari and maybe thought you could have got past safely.... Or he was too focused on letting you past to see your view point. I've had cars pull over to let me past (in a car) in really bad places. I don't tend to notice their reaction when I over take at the place of my choosing. But your last statement is the pertinent one. It was up to me, and a cyclist getting ragey that I didn't do it his way isn't going to help anyone. This pillock deliberately tried to create a dangerous overtake, nearly wobbled in to a hedge, then got annoyed when I didn't fancy it. I thought cyclists were supposed to own the lane.
By trying to let you past he was controlling (well failing to) the lane.
Looking at that clip I would NOT ride double abreast on that road. It's not safe.
Why are many cyclists like spoilt children? Makes my commute/riding on roads that bit more difficult.
Recently ive asked committing cyclists not to use a tight footpath as a fast rat run (the footpath exit to my son's school blindly opens up onto the path) and every single time I've had a cyclist argue back. Even pointing to the cyclist dismount sign means nothing to them.
My 7yr old son asks why they do that and I answer 'some adults are irresponsible but feel they are entitled'. I'm not sure if he grasps that yet.
Why are many cyclists like spoilt children? Makes my commute/riding on roads that bit more difficult.
Recently ive asked committing cyclists not to use a tight footpath as a fast rat run (the footpath exit to my son's school blindly opens up onto the path) and every single time I've had a cyclist argue back. Even pointing to the cyclist dismount sign means nothing to them.
My 7yr old son asks why they do that and I answer 'some adults are irresponsible but feel they are entitled'. I'm not sure if he grasps that yet.
Sa Calobra said:
Looking at that clip I would NOT ride double abreast on that road. It's not safe.
Why are many cyclists like spoilt children? Makes my commute/riding on roads that bit more difficult.
Recently ive asked committing cyclists not to use a tight footpath as a fast rat run (the footpath exit to my son's school blindly opens up onto the path) and every single time I've had a cyclist argue back. Even pointing to the cyclist dismount sign means nothing to them.
My 7yr old son asks why they do that and I answer 'some adults are irresponsible but feel they are entitled'. I'm not sure if he grasps that yet.
Why don't car drivers pull in to the verge so that I can filter past them when they are queued up for a third of a mile? Makes my commuting on bike that bit more difficult.Why are many cyclists like spoilt children? Makes my commute/riding on roads that bit more difficult.
Recently ive asked committing cyclists not to use a tight footpath as a fast rat run (the footpath exit to my son's school blindly opens up onto the path) and every single time I've had a cyclist argue back. Even pointing to the cyclist dismount sign means nothing to them.
My 7yr old son asks why they do that and I answer 'some adults are irresponsible but feel they are entitled'. I'm not sure if he grasps that yet.
All road users are dangleberrys, especially bus drivers, they don't wipe at all.
frisbee said:
Sa Calobra said:
Filter round the outside,that's what I do.
I do, its more convenient for me if they queue in the gutter, I don't have to tuck in for cars coming the other way.The trouble is there's getting more and more of them on the road . It ok saying about driving at 50 mph round a bend you can't see, but I assure you sunshine, there's a hell of a lot of drivers going faster . I've been driving for 45 years now. Never had an accident. Clean licence and I've driven in motor sports. Sour I think I have so idea how to drive. Donthe you.
Anyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
Anyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
RB5Steve said:
The trouble is there's getting more and more of them on the road . It ok saying about driving at 50 mph round a bend you can't see, but I assure you sunshine, there's a hell of a lot of drivers going faster . I've been driving for 45 years now. Never had an accident. Clean licence and I've driven in motor sports. Sour I think I have so idea how to drive. Donthe you.
Anyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
FFS, one more time, roads are paid for by Income Tax etc for the big ones and Council Tax for the local ones. So everyone who is of a tax paying age pays for the roads. This covers their use by cars, lorries, tractors, horses, pedestrians, cyclists, wheelchair users, mobility scooters, prams etc etcAnyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the emissions from the vehicle so cyclists pay the correct amount, the same as I do for my hybrid car, £0.
giantdefy said:
RB5Steve said:
The trouble is there's getting more and more of them on the road . It ok saying about driving at 50 mph round a bend you can't see, but I assure you sunshine, there's a hell of a lot of drivers going faster . I've been driving for 45 years now. Never had an accident. Clean licence and I've driven in motor sports. Sour I think I have so idea how to drive. Donthe you.
Anyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
FFS, one more time, roads are paid for by Income Tax etc for the big ones and Council Tax for the local ones. So everyone who is of a tax paying age pays for the roads. This covers their use by cars, lorries, tractors, horses, pedestrians, cyclists, wheelchair users, mobility scooters, prams etc etcAnyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the emissions from the vehicle so cyclists pay the correct amount, the same as I do for my hybrid car, £0.
williamp said:
giantdefy said:
RB5Steve said:
The trouble is there's getting more and more of them on the road . It ok saying about driving at 50 mph round a bend you can't see, but I assure you sunshine, there's a hell of a lot of drivers going faster . I've been driving for 45 years now. Never had an accident. Clean licence and I've driven in motor sports. Sour I think I have so idea how to drive. Donthe you.
Anyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
FFS, one more time, roads are paid for by Income Tax etc for the big ones and Council Tax for the local ones. So everyone who is of a tax paying age pays for the roads. This covers their use by cars, lorries, tractors, horses, pedestrians, cyclists, wheelchair users, mobility scooters, prams etc etcAnyway. Back to the point. There's just so many cyclist's on the roads these days. Everybody I know complains about it. You here other people complaining about it. It now just seems where ever you go you get held up by groups of cyclists. I just think it would be fair to pay some kind of road tax and insurance. After all we are all using the roads so why should just motorists have to pay!
Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the emissions from the vehicle so cyclists pay the correct amount, the same as I do for my hybrid car, £0.
williamp said:
Low emission cars are not exempt from VED. And cyclists dont pay fuel duty. Cy lists xont oay insurance. Maybe there shouod be a cyclist tax???
My 2015 Hybrid Auris cost £0 a year for VEDCyclist do play fuel duty, I pay VAT on my take away food which fuels my riding, I am insured on my bike.
So at what age do we start taxing cyclists, 5 year old pavement cyclists or just riders who wear lycra?
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