Police pull over 'two abrest' cyclists - argument ensues
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Mave said:
Stickyfinger said:
Most drivers accept that, few cyclist do however
What a load of rubbish. On every one of these cycling threads, the majority of cyclists are saying that very thing.There's a point in there somewhere about bikes being for kids and if the cap fits etc.
I've just realised I've still got my trouser leg tucked in my sock like I used to do when I was on my paper round
Suitably slow for the conditions and congestion, observant, giving correct signals to other users, giving way to pedestrians thereby minimising the risk of killing them like that London Hipster chap. None of those are likely to get wiped out by a left-turning truck. Isn't that what you all want?
Winner
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Ares said:
OpulentBob said:
Mave said:
Stickyfinger said:
Most drivers accept that, few cyclist do however
What a load of rubbish. On every one of these cycling threads, the majority of cyclists are saying that very thing.There's a point in there somewhere about bikes being for kids and if the cap fits etc.
I've just realised I've still got my trouser leg tucked in my sock like I used to do when I was on my paper round
What I have said, repeatedly, is that cyclists do accept the fact.
Maybe we can deduce from your statement that drivers are deluded?
And that video also shows what the majority of cyclists do with red lights (wait at them) and how they treat/view cyclist thats jump them.
You can deduce what you like from my statement. I think it's pretty clear. There a hardcore, er, core of you that are point-blank refusing that cyclists are not doing themselves any favours, and in some circumstances their dodgy actions are justified or "better" than the prescribed rules.
I understand that I will inevitably get tarred by that same "all cyclists are tossers" brush when I'm on a bike, so I make sure I ride properly and don't do anything (or at least try my hardest not to) that will get me (or the next cyclist they encounter) any sort of short shrift from the cars around me. Cars hurt. It's up to me not to put myself beneath their wheels. Shoulder checks, no headphones, no resistance to slowing down if the situation requires it, taking routes through residential areas which are parallel to main roads, but a lot quieter. I don't try and Strava every ride. In fact I don't use it at all. KOM (on the road) is for inconsiderate a
holes. Cyclists: Help others to help you. The onus is NOT on every road user except you.
Mave said:
OpulentBob said:
Mave said:
Stickyfinger said:
Most drivers accept that, few cyclist do however
What a load of rubbish. On every one of these cycling threads, the majority of cyclists are saying that very thing.2) I have never said anything about anyone being fat.
3) See the posts from the people you cited above - you must have read some of them because you agreed with them!
OpulentBob said:
Heaveho said:
WinstonWolf said:
The people you are referring to are wkers. They are not representative of the genus cyclist, they're representative of the genus wkers.
M4Cruiser, I bet he'd be a wker on a bike.
Your problem isn't with cyclists, it's with wkers.
Damn right.kers. They are not representative of the genus cyclist, they're representative of the genus wkers.M4Cruiser, I bet he'd be a w
ker on a bike.Your problem isn't with cyclists, it's with w
kers.Mave said:
Heaveho said:
WinstonWolf said:
The people you are referring to are wkers. They are not representative of the genus cyclist, they're representative of the genus wkers.
M4Cruiser, I bet he'd be a wker on a bike.
Your problem isn't with cyclists, it's with wkers.
Damn right.kers. They are not representative of the genus cyclist, they're representative of the genus wkers.M4Cruiser, I bet he'd be a w
ker on a bike.Your problem isn't with cyclists, it's with w
kers.Ares said:
Because the people that cycle in a park are mostly likely not the same cyclist that will ride on a road.
Unless the park is designated as a cycle route....and cycling will not give minimum space to you or animals, the potential of pedestrians being oblivious to their surrounds, and of animals suddenly moving is too great and we don't like getting hurt.
But you know what, just as they're are absolutely wkers on the roads in cars/vans, there will be an equal proportion of absolute wkers on bikes. It doesn't make one better/worse than the other. Those same people are probably wkers when out running, or wkers when sat on their fat arses outside a pub eating a plate of chips.
I'm sure I could find other examples.Unless the park is designated as a cycle route....and cycling will not give minimum space to you or animals, the potential of pedestrians being oblivious to their surrounds, and of animals suddenly moving is too great and we don't like getting hurt.
But you know what, just as they're are absolutely w
kers on the roads in cars/vans, there will be an equal proportion of absolute wkers on bikes. It doesn't make one better/worse than the other. Those same people are probably wkers when out running, or wkers when sat on their fat arses outside a pub eating a plate of chips.OpulentBob said:
Or asking for written evidence of something which is anecdotally or observably true.
I've never asked for written evidence of anything, except for when I disagree that someone has made a statement or expressed an opinion in this thread. What's wrong with that? Its well known that anecdotal and observational evidence is subject to huge bias, so what's wrong with challenging it when someone uses it as a basis to underwrite an opinion?
OpulentBob said:
PRetty much anything but discuss the issue at hand. The video of that angry little man on the Brompton coming back to remonstrate with the video-warrior is EXACTLY what I think a few of the more vocal posters on here act like.
There's a point in there somewhere about bikes being for kids and if the cap fits etc.
I've just realised I've still got my trouser leg tucked in my sock like I used to do when I was on my paper round
What exactly have these last few sentences got to do with discussing the issues at hand?There's a point in there somewhere about bikes being for kids and if the cap fits etc.
I've just realised I've still got my trouser leg tucked in my sock like I used to do when I was on my paper round
te that WW et al post ("fat fat fat etc, prove that cyclists are worse than car drivers etc etc"). I CBA. I'm a cyclist (or more accurately a person on a bike), I know how I ride/act and whilst I won't win any Strava segments, I'm a s
tload safer than most others. I also leave the delusion of superiority at home when I ride, unlike most other cyclists (see this thread for examples!). Mave said:
OpulentBob said:
Mave said:
What exactly have these last few sentences got to do with discussing the issues at hand?
About as much as half the ste that WW et al post ("fat fat fat etc, prove that cyclists are worse than car drivers etc etc"). I CBA. I'm a cyclist (or more accurately a person on a bike), I know how I ride/act and whilst I won't win any Strava segments, I'm a s
tload safer than most others. I also leave the delusion of superiority at home when I ride, unlike most other cyclists (see this thread for examples!). Ares said:
I have never been knocked off my bike, seldom have even near misses. Have never been shouted at when on my bike. I never wear headphones, I do Strava every ride, I always wave cars past when I can see more than they can, I always wave thanks to cars that have shown me courtesy or just pass even remotely sensibly. You can take your tarred brush and shove it where the sun doesn't reach 
yj-length post alert Me either. Well, maybe I got shouted at when I was a kid on a BMX, but not in the last 30-odd years. I freely admitted I'm tarring all cyclists with the same brush - myself included - because whether I'm on my bike or in the car,the majority of idiotic moves I see (with the exception of trunk roads etc) are made by cyclists. Many of them INVOLVE cars but the person putting themselves in danger is the cyclist. Squeezing through when there is a closing gap, etc. I reckon I see stuff daily that makes me draw breath/cringe.
Maybe I do have a tainted view due to previous interactions (through work) with VERY serious, quite unreasonable and inflexible cycling "charities" and the stubbornness/attitude I see from them reflects in this thread. It's not just me thinking they're stubborn (possibly not the right word but close enough) either - They are known (in their cycle-heavy cities) for being dominant and shouting down anything that goes against cycling, as I've said before demanding unreasonable spending, infrastructure, restrictions on other road users etc.
Simple things like holding a big wrought-iron park gate (surrounded by 8foot hedges) open with a latch (defeating the self-closer) so that they can ride straight through - ignoring the fact that the park is ped-only, and immediately behind the hedge/gate is a kids play park. I had 18 months of arguments with them about that, they could not/would not see that it would cause a problem. They got their knickers in such a twist they went to an MP, who promptly told them to go away, and then they (someone) resorted to repeatedly cable-tying the gate open. Sod the kids, sod the pushchairs, sod the "no cycling" signs through the ancient park. Anything to save them ten seconds. (Gate cable-tied open here: https://goo.gl/maps/wUGBc9zkwJE2)
I don't know if it's selective reading on your behalf or not, but I've said many times I ride daily. I'm here with my helmet beside me and my shoes still on. I am cyclist. I just get pissed off with the selfish attitude shown by other cyclists. The roads are for sharing. So share them. Certain cyclists are like kids who forever want to play hide-and-seek, but never do the seeking. But it's the very conspicuous behavior of a few, that is rarely called out, or even recognised, by the more vocal pro-cyclists, that gives everyone a bad name.
Hey ho.
Mave said:
OpulentBob said:
Mave said:
OpulentBob said:
Mave said:
What exactly have these last few sentences got to do with discussing the issues at hand?
About as much as half the ste that WW et al post ("fat fat fat etc, prove that cyclists are worse than car drivers etc etc"). I CBA. I'm a cyclist (or more accurately a person on a bike), I know how I ride/act and whilst I won't win any Strava segments, I'm a s
tload safer than most others. I also leave the delusion of superiority at home when I ride, unlike most other cyclists (see this thread for examples!). 
I've always agreed there are tossers on both sides, pretty sure I "plus 1'd" it when WW brought it up a while back. But bikes tend to do their overt rule-flouting (ora t least inconsiderate riding) at the most conspicuous times in the most congested places, so many more people see it, thereby giving ALL cyclists a bad name. Me - and you - included. Stereotypes and reputations exist for a reason.
Mave said:
OpulentBob said:
I've always agreed there are tossers on both sides, pretty sure I "plus 1'd" it when WW brought it up a while back. But bikes tend to do their overt rule-flouting (ora t least inconsiderate riding) at the most conspicuous times in the most congested places, so many more people see it, thereby giving ALL cyclists a bad name. Me - and you - included. Stereotypes and reputations exist for a reason.
kers use the road. But the cycle wkers are going to come off worse, and as such could/should modify their behaviour, given the number of big 2 tonne metal boxes driving everywhere - you seem to have trouble understanding that they have at least SOME responsibility not to put themselves in stupid situations. The driver isn't going to get hurt, they'll just hear a bang or a scrape, but it's game over for the pedaller. I'm not here to make the snowflake cyclists cry, although it is amusing how quick many of them are to strop. My interest (and my work!) is in all sharing the roads - SHARING, not having the roads dominated by badly-placed cyclists. Reducing accidents. Increasing flow. Smoothing flow. That sort of thing. Cyclists and their insistence on making the rules up as they go along don't help.
Ares said:
FiF said:
Ares said:
OpulentBob said:
Ares said:
I have never been knocked off my bike, seldom have even near misses. Have never been shouted at when on my bike. I never wear headphones, I do Strava every ride, I always wave cars past when I can see more than they can, I always wave thanks to cars that have shown me courtesy or just pass even remotely sensibly. You can take your tarred brush and shove it where the sun doesn't reach
yj-length post alert Me either. Well, maybe I got shouted at when I was a kid on a BMX, but not in the last 30-odd years. I freely admitted I'm tarring all cyclists with the same brush - myself included - because whether I'm on my bike or in the car,the majority of idiotic moves I see (with the exception of trunk roads etc) are made by cyclists. Many of them INVOLVE cars but the person putting themselves in danger is the cyclist. Squeezing through when there is a closing gap, etc. I reckon I see stuff daily that makes me draw breath/cringe.
Maybe I do have a tainted view due to previous interactions (through work) with VERY serious, quite unreasonable and inflexible cycling "charities" and the stubbornness/attitude I see from them reflects in this thread. It's not just me thinking they're stubborn (possibly not the right word but close enough) either - They are known (in their cycle-heavy cities) for being dominant and shouting down anything that goes against cycling, as I've said before demanding unreasonable spending, infrastructure, restrictions on other road users etc.
Simple things like holding a big wrought-iron park gate (surrounded by 8foot hedges) open with a latch (defeating the self-closer) so that they can ride straight through - ignoring the fact that the park is ped-only, and immediately behind the hedge/gate is a kids play park. I had 18 months of arguments with them about that, they could not/would not see that it would cause a problem. They got their knickers in such a twist they went to an MP, who promptly told them to go away, and then they (someone) resorted to repeatedly cable-tying the gate open. Sod the kids, sod the pushchairs, sod the "no cycling" signs through the ancient park. Anything to save them ten seconds. (Gate cable-tied open here: https://goo.gl/maps/wUGBc9zkwJE2)
I don't know if it's selective reading on your behalf or not, but I've said many times I ride daily. I'm here with my helmet beside me and my shoes still on. I am cyclist. I just get pissed off with the selfish attitude shown by other cyclists. The roads are for sharing. So share them. Certain cyclists are like kids who forever want to play hide-and-seek, but never do the seeking. But it's the very conspicuous behavior of a few, that is rarely called out, or even recognised, by the more vocal pro-cyclists, that gives everyone a bad name.
Hey ho.
Seeing as it's been later admitted by one culprit that they were indeed trolling, not sure what there is to condemn.
You can deduce what you like from my statement. I think it's pretty clear. There a hardcore, er, core of you that are point-blank refusing that cyclists are not doing themselves any favours, and in some circumstances their dodgy actions are justified or "better" than the prescribed rules.
I understand that I will inevitably get tarred by that same "all cyclists are tossers" brush when I'm on a bike, so I make sure I ride properly and don't do anything (or at least try my hardest not to) that will get me (or the next cyclist they encounter) any sort of short shrift from the cars around me. Cars hurt. It's up to me not to put myself beneath their wheels. Shoulder checks, no headphones, no resistance to slowing down if the situation requires it, taking routes through residential areas which are parallel to main roads, but a lot quieter. I don't try and Strava every ride. In fact I don't use it at all. KOM (on the road) is for inconsiderate aholes.
Cyclists: Help others to help you. The onus is NOT on every road user except you.
ETA I CBA to carry on with this thread. It's getting circular now. Everyone knows what everyone else thinks, and thinks the other is wrong/mistaken etc.
17 pages of guff and nothing has changed.
Next time I design a cyclepath I'll make it 500mm narrower and uphill in both directions, just for you guys
17 pages of guff and nothing has changed.
Next time I design a cyclepath I'll make it 500mm narrower and uphill in both directions, just for you guys
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