Police pull over 'two abrest' cyclists - argument ensues
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I find a lot of middle-management cyclists to be somewhat socially awkward. They may be able to afford the £2000 carbon bike, but they are not so good with people. They're the people who were unique at school. I've had a few incidents over the years with cyclists and you just know by talking to them that they are still carrying their childhood inferiority complex.
Heaveho said:
Everything about those two idiots was stereotypical and ridiculous......the attitude, the lycra, the go-pro, the fact they posted it up, and, as I'm clearly already making myself really popular, the accents. Pair of utter nimrods, and clearly happy to inconvenience others for no good reason.
This, completely this. What's the betting this pair of knob jockeys constantly whinge about car drivers not being courteous enough.swerni said:
Copper came across as an idiot.
I can't see how they were inconveniencing anyone, very wide road, plenty of room to over take and light traffic.
As for being in park, you must have been watching a different video.
Who are they ?
Love a bit of generalisation
Well I'm clearly getting older! I drafted a mega-sarcastic reply to this, re-read your post and deleted mine after feeling an overwhelming wave of pity wash over me for your tragic plight. Best of luck in life, try re-reading my original post properly before responding.I can't see how they were inconveniencing anyone, very wide road, plenty of room to over take and light traffic.
As for being in park, you must have been watching a different video.
Who are they ?
Love a bit of generalisation
TooMany2cvs said:
Rich_W said:
Here's a handy hint, which I genuinely want to see the Government introduce. (Note speeds are in Km per hour (so 60KPH is 37.5mph)
That's actually less space than the HC recommendation.But its a better representation and easier to understand for thcikos than "as much space as a car"
Olf said:
Same cop has to deal with peeling guys like this off the road when their attitude proves an inadequate shield to two tons of fast moving metal.
Do you know what else would be a good shield. Vehicle drivers exercising restraint and safety around vulnerable road users. And not hitting them because they cant judge the speed of a bike, the distance to safely pass a bike. Or just because they are faffing with their phone instead of paying attention. You know like the test they took to get a licence suggested.But that would never catch on...
SR06 said:
I find a lot of middle-management Golf R owners to be somewhat socially awkward. They may be able to afford the finance payments, but they are not so good with people. They're the people who were unique at school. I've had a few incidents over the years with Golf R owners and you just know by talking to them that they are still carrying their childhood inferiority complex. that they couldn't afford a real sports car.
Funny how the cyclists on here want safety for themselves and those that feel they are an obstruction and shouldn't be on the road resort to attempting to belittle them and feel they are superior to people on bikes.
Baffling to me.
Heaveho said:
If cyclists think it's ok to demand that much room from passing cars, why don't they give that much when they skim past pedestrians in the park?
Equating road cyclists doing 20mph on road bikes with someone riding dangerously close to pedestrians in a park, is a bit like equating your nan's driving and a chavved up Corsa in a shop car park on a Friday night...Edited by Heaveho on Monday 22 May 21:51
Rich_W said:
Hackney said:
Passing single file cyclists would be easy and would not require going right over to the other lane,
And would result in Not enough space being given to a single file rider.Have a look at the video, there is a wide centre area (with reservation further up the road), I'm saying to pass a cyclist single file could be done safely, as you'd be using the centre area, not the opposite lane.
swerni said:
Nope, because it didn't happen
They stop at 16 seconds a minute later 20 cars still haven't passed,
The biggest hold ups seem to be from the passing police car and the tow truck .
It's quite clear from the video that by riding two abreast the cyclists were holding up following traffic. HC states cyclists should not ride side by side on busy roads. They stop at 16 seconds a minute later 20 cars still haven't passed,
The biggest hold ups seem to be from the passing police car and the tow truck .
The fact one cyclist seems to relish a confrontation with the policeman is unfortunately indicative of the sort of gobby aggressive know-it-all that's prevalent on the roads, be it in cars, or on cycles.
ash73 said:
The offence may be something more general like riding carelessly in an inconsiderate manner.
Road Traffic Act 1988 said:
29. Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.
If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
The offence is essentially no different to driving without reasonable consideration. Likewise it's the case that other road users must be shown to have been inconvenienced by the offender's riding for the offence to be committed.If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
AMTony said:
Watched the video and its six of one, half dozen of the other.
Absolutely not. Holding up traffic, as advised not to by the HC. What we don't see is how far or for how long the traffic followed those two fools was inconvenienced for. We don't know, for instance, that the policeman didn't pull the cyclists after witnessing another frustrated driver pull of a risky overtake of the two.popeyewhite said:
AMTony said:
Watched the video and its six of one, half dozen of the other.
Absolutely not. Holding up traffic, as advised not to by the HC. What we don't see is how far or for how long the traffic followed those two fools was inconvenienced for. We don't know, for instance, that the policeman didn't pull the cyclists after witnessing another frustrated driver pull of a risky overtake of the two.
80sMatchbox said:
Equating road cyclists doing 20mph on road bikes with someone riding dangerously close to pedestrians in a park, is a bit like equating your nan's driving and a chavved up Corsa in a shop car park on a Friday night...
Think you might need to work harder than that to pass your analogy exam......you used the word " dangerously " in your description of it, not me!In a country where, in every way, the motorist is getting hit with stricter laws and financial penalties in the name of "safety", it beggars belief that something so unfit for purpose as a bicycle is allowed to go unchallenged on a system designed for groups of vehicles that are capable of maintaining a given speed limit. Something a bicycle is visibly unable to do for extended periods of time, therefore forcing vehicles that otherwise could to do so not to be able to.
They were both pretty confrontational but the outside rider was acting like a proper cock, and deserved everything that happened.
Regardless of how righteous you think you are there are ways to talk to the Police and ways not to do it. Kicking off from the first opening words is never going to get you far.
But more to the point it is better to have a friendly discussion with a rozzer and listen to his advice on what's sensible, than have a confrontation with some psycho motorist and get 17 colours of purple beaten out of you or worse. And that was also a very likely reason for the stop. Cocky-boy doesn't have to deal with those kinds of assaults when they happen, the Cop does.
Regardless of how righteous you think you are there are ways to talk to the Police and ways not to do it. Kicking off from the first opening words is never going to get you far.
But more to the point it is better to have a friendly discussion with a rozzer and listen to his advice on what's sensible, than have a confrontation with some psycho motorist and get 17 colours of purple beaten out of you or worse. And that was also a very likely reason for the stop. Cocky-boy doesn't have to deal with those kinds of assaults when they happen, the Cop does.
NinjaPower said:
You can't seriously compare the potential impact of 2 tons of metal whizzing past you to 80kg of human and bicycle?
No one would like to by hit by a bicycle, and it would certainly hurt, but it's not comparable to a car.
How many pedestrians are killed after being hit by cars vs hit by bikes? I suspect those statistics will tell all we need to know.
Actually, you can. It is principle - as you said earlier you can happily ignore the 'should' advice in the HC. And happily ride as you ride to your 'rights' rather than responsibilities. Yet many howl when cars adopt the same principle.No one would like to by hit by a bicycle, and it would certainly hurt, but it's not comparable to a car.
How many pedestrians are killed after being hit by cars vs hit by bikes? I suspect those statistics will tell all we need to know.
And how many pedestrians are hit by cycles? Who knows, hit and run is a sport for too many cyclists as they are anonymous.
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