Nurburgring new record, P1LM with Kenny Brack

[Wayoftheflower]

Feel like a bit of anoraki misery guts but I think this "record" is shenanigans.

Look at the P1LM youtube video and at 10s the clock is 00.00.00 and you can see the yellow piece of armco to the right. Then at 6:54 they've stopped the clock at 6:43:22 at the industry pool "finish" line.

Compare to the "record" NIO EP9 video, it starts the clock at the industry pool line some 4 seconds before it reaches the same piece of yellow armco where the P1LM clock starts and then stops the clock at the same place 6:45.9 later.

Am I crazy? What have I missed? Or is the P1LM the holder of the fastest "hybrid road legal car running the 20600m NS" and the EP9 still outright fastest "limited run road legal etc" Say it ain't so McLaren!

Time for Glickenhaus to step up for the honour of the internal combustion engine!

[Rich_W]

Wayoftheflower said:

Feel like a bit of anoraki misery guts but I think this "record" is shenanigans.

Look at the P1LM youtube video and at 10s the clock is 00.00.00 and you can see the yellow piece of armco to the right. Then at 6:54 they've stopped the clock at 6:43:22 at the industry pool "finish" line.

Compare to the "record" NIO EP9 video, it starts the clock at the industry pool line some 4 seconds before it reaches the same piece of yellow armco where the P1LM clock starts and then stops the clock at the same place 6:45.9 later.

Am I crazy? What have I missed? Or is the P1LM the holder of the fastest "hybrid road legal car running the 20600m NS" and the EP9 still outright fastest "limited run road legal etc" Say it ain't so McLaren!

Time for Glickenhaus to step up for the honour of the internal combustion engine!

Start of the "full lap" is where the yellow Armco is, and the end is just around the final corner.

NIO appear to have done a full lap + the grid, so actually their time is too long compared to every other lap time

[Wayoftheflower]

Rich_W said:

Start of the "full lap" is where the yellow Armco is, and the end is just around the final corner.

NIO appear to have done a full lap + the grid, so actually their time is too long compared to every other lap time

It's debatable about what the "full lap" should be (Irony is the McLaren F1 NS time is for the full 20832m) but it's pretty telling the NIO took 4s to cover that extra 232m, should they edit their video starting at the yellow armco and repost it as a 6:41?

[thegreenhell]

Wayoftheflower said:

It's debatable about what the "full lap" should be (Irony is the McLaren F1 NS time is for the full 20832m) but it's pretty telling the NIO took 4s to cover that extra 232m, should they edit their video starting at the yellow armco and repost it as a 6:41?

For road cars it can only realistically be the shorter 20,600m version, since most lap times are set in industry pool where they have a speed limit along the T13 straight. This is already the established benchmark which almost all existing times for road cars use, so it wouldn't make sense to start using a different configuration now. Manufacturers would also not want to make their new cars appear five seconds slower due to the longer lap.

Regarding the Mclaren F1, there has never been any credible source that the lap actually happened, let alone what version of the track was used. I rather think we would have heard about it at the time given that it was 35 seconds faster than the then record, but it seems to have appeared out of nowhere in recent years.

[Rich_W]

thegreenhell said:

For road cars it can only realistically be the shorter 20,600m version, since most lap times are set in industry pool where they have a speed limit along the T13 straight. This is already the established benchmark which almost all existing times for road cars use, so it wouldn't make sense to start using a different configuration now.

That's what I was making a complete Horlicks of explaining

I knew there was a reason for the grid distance not being counted, just couldn't remember.