Jaguar Land Rover
Discussion
Krikkit said:
Not like for like though, is it? Where's Jaguar's tiny hatchbacks etc? By far the most common Audi/BMWs/Mercs I see these days.
That may well be the case but chasing volume does not necessarily make a good business model in all cases. I personally don't think that JLR should try and do exactly as the Germans have done. If they want to chase volume they have enough car brands in their deal with Ford that they could launch a completely new range of FWD family shopping cars should they wish. It is a very bizarre British trait, where most everyone wants a British-based company to fail, so they can all have a good snigger.
JLR is delivering record worldwide sales, quality and reliability are comparable with major German rivals, profits are rising, and JLR is now pretty much single-handedly keeping the struggling Tata India vehicle division from sinking into the abyss.
The F-Pace has been a huge global success for JLR. In a country where almost everywhere outside London is in decline, it is important to celebrate this kind of commercial success. Good luck to them.
JLR is delivering record worldwide sales, quality and reliability are comparable with major German rivals, profits are rising, and JLR is now pretty much single-handedly keeping the struggling Tata India vehicle division from sinking into the abyss.
The F-Pace has been a huge global success for JLR. In a country where almost everywhere outside London is in decline, it is important to celebrate this kind of commercial success. Good luck to them.
Mastiff said:
Willy Nilly said:
But the reliability of Land Rover does little to put people off so why does it matter with their cars?
Land Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
Are you actually talking about Land Rover here? If you are then you are talking bLand Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
ks and I will happily book you on an off road experience to prove the point.Actually, no I won't - as anyone who knows anything about LR products is aware that their off road ability (which I take is what you mean by work horse) is fundamental to their design and build.
Even the "soft road" stuff (Evoque for example) will go further than most people think. The big stuff will go MUCH further than a Defender would ever have gone, and blow cold air up your arse as it does so, which you may need considering the amount of hot air being blown about by some on this thread.
There are no commercial variants of LR products IIRC.
Usual Ph bollux sprouted here
Id be embarrassed to work along side many of the people sprouting such drivel as it demonstrates sub GCSE level of business knowledge and general understanding of not only the automotive sector, but the world in general
It shall continue as long as idiots grace this planet, for which there are too many unfortunately
Id be embarrassed to work along side many of the people sprouting such drivel as it demonstrates sub GCSE level of business knowledge and general understanding of not only the automotive sector, but the world in general
It shall continue as long as idiots grace this planet, for which there are too many unfortunately
ian in lancs said:
because the interior design is awful compared to the equiv Audi, Merc and BMW. Jag's look like mid 80s Rotel hifi - All shiny chrome, garish instruments and hard plastics
Your spot on, I went from a CLS to a XFR and the interior quality was veneer deep - the leather looked like vinyl, the boot wasn't fully trimmed and the touch screen Ui was out the ark.Edited by ian in lancs on Saturday 27th May 19:07
Hungrymc said:
You seem to be almost bitter?
There are reasons why manufacturing is strong in Germany and has been weak in UK. We / our governments have not supported it as there have been other areas where a quicker / bigger return on investment come.
Yes, and it's worked out grrrrrrrreat hasn't it.There are reasons why manufacturing is strong in Germany and has been weak in UK. We / our governments have not supported it as there have been other areas where a quicker / bigger return on investment come.
Jazzy Jag said:
Mastiff said:
Willy Nilly said:
But the reliability of Land Rover does little to put people off so why does it matter with their cars?
Land Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
Are you actually talking about Land Rover here? If you are then you are talking bLand Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
ks and I will happily book you on an off road experience to prove the point.Actually, no I won't - as anyone who knows anything about LR products is aware that their off road ability (which I take is what you mean by work horse) is fundamental to their design and build.
Even the "soft road" stuff (Evoque for example) will go further than most people think. The big stuff will go MUCH further than a Defender would ever have gone, and blow cold air up your arse as it does so, which you may need considering the amount of hot air being blown about by some on this thread.
There are no commercial variants of LR products IIRC.
A bit hungover this morning.
They did do a Discovery 4 Commercial and I believe that there is a Discovery 5 variant waiting in the wings. Never really understood that as the built Discover 4 Commercial as a car first - then converted it into a commercial, then sold it for LESS than the car.
Defender replacement is a year or two away yet.
Mastiff said:
Ah. My bad then. Apologies to all.
A bit hungover this morning.
They did do a Discovery 4 Commercial and I believe that there is a Discovery 5 variant waiting in the wings. Never really understood that as the built Discover 4 Commercial as a car first - then converted it into a commercial, then sold it for LESS than the car.
Defender replacement is a year or two away yet.
Word on the street is that "New Defender" is not a replacement for the old one A bit hungover this morning.
They did do a Discovery 4 Commercial and I believe that there is a Discovery 5 variant waiting in the wings. Never really understood that as the built Discover 4 Commercial as a car first - then converted it into a commercial, then sold it for LESS than the car.
Defender replacement is a year or two away yet.
It won't be a utilitarian vehicle.
Jazzy Jag said:
Word on the street is that "New Defender" is not a replacement for the old one
It won't be a utilitarian vehicle.
Longer wheelbase apparently, loaded with all the creature comforts that the average urban kerb-mounting driver will ever want or need. Likely to be an aluminium-type monocoque using elements currently seen in Disco 5. Not ideal for bumping into the odd tree and then smacking the panel back into shape with a block of wood - those happy days of not giving a stuff about dents and parking dinks are gone.It won't be a utilitarian vehicle.
Will probably use an ingenium four-pot DERV and no longer come with those additional levers that are so confusing to trendy towny types who buy them and stick them in diff-lock on the tarmac when it's raining 'because it gives them more grip'. *smacks head into keyboard*.
marmitemania said:
That's very rich coming from someone who drives a VW and a BMW.
Edited!!!! I think he was talking about VW's and BMW's
I don't drive either, so you are wrong. A number of colleagues have Jaguars, all have had problems with them. My colleagues with VWs, Volvos, Audis etc have not had any problems. (All company cars).Edited!!!! I think he was talking about VW's and BMW's
Just to add, the wife's 64 reg Evoque is going back into the garage tomorrow for them to attempt to fix the radio which doesn't get any reception and the heated seats which don't work. I'd love to run a Land Rover but I have no faith in the brand.
AAGR said:
Let's just suspend the whinging and special pleading for a moment, and consider the facts :
In round figures ....JLR sales in 2010 were 220,000. In 2016 they were 600,000
Jaguar sales in 2010 were 50,000. In 2016 they were 150,000
Land Rover/Range Rover sales were 170,000 in 2010. In 2016 they were 440,000.
The trouble with success stories like this is that there are few people around who dare to quote them. I dare ....
There's no place in a thread like this for production statistics. Be off with you. In round figures ....JLR sales in 2010 were 220,000. In 2016 they were 600,000
Jaguar sales in 2010 were 50,000. In 2016 they were 150,000
Land Rover/Range Rover sales were 170,000 in 2010. In 2016 they were 440,000.
The trouble with success stories like this is that there are few people around who dare to quote them. I dare ....
VGTICE said:
Yes, and it's worked out grrrrrrrreat hasn't it.
I'm not sure I follow your point. I was saying that manufacturing in the UK has not been supported. I'm certainly not saying that's a good thing.I am saying that's the environment that JLR have been existing in. And now, when they suddenly have access to resources they start to perform.
ian in lancs said:
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
closer to poor than good
Were you in Shieldaig today? If not, somebody with an identical car was http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
closer to poor than good
Hungrymc said:
I'm not sure I follow your point. I was saying that manufacturing in the UK has not been supported. I'm certainly not saying that's a good thing.
Well you said that "there have been other areas where a quicker / bigger return on investment come" which seemed to be indirectly suggesting that not supporting manufacturing was somehow a win for the UK. It wasn't.As to the thread..
JLR are doing a really good job exporting cars, and giving work to UK bods.
..and having had about a dozen LRs (from new) over the years I am amazed at how the current lot DON'T break down!
Lastly. Anyone that thinks soft LRs don't do off road should drive one up here (like I do most days). Astonishing doesn't come close. (I've owned 3 Defenders, driven proper off road, so I know what I'm talking about).
JLR are doing a really good job exporting cars, and giving work to UK bods.
..and having had about a dozen LRs (from new) over the years I am amazed at how the current lot DON'T break down!
Lastly. Anyone that thinks soft LRs don't do off road should drive one up here (like I do most days). Astonishing doesn't come close. (I've owned 3 Defenders, driven proper off road, so I know what I'm talking about).
Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 28th May 17:01
Mastiff said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Mastiff said:
Willy Nilly said:
But the reliability of Land Rover does little to put people off so why does it matter with their cars?
Land Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
Are you actually talking about Land Rover here? If you are then you are talking bLand Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.
ks and I will happily book you on an off road experience to prove the point.Actually, no I won't - as anyone who knows anything about LR products is aware that their off road ability (which I take is what you mean by work horse) is fundamental to their design and build.
Even the "soft road" stuff (Evoque for example) will go further than most people think. The big stuff will go MUCH further than a Defender would ever have gone, and blow cold air up your arse as it does so, which you may need considering the amount of hot air being blown about by some on this thread.
There are no commercial variants of LR products IIRC.
A bit hungover this morning.
They did do a Discovery 4 Commercial and I believe that there is a Discovery 5 variant waiting in the wings. Never really understood that as the built Discover 4 Commercial as a car first - then converted it into a commercial, then sold it for LESS than the car.
Defender replacement is a year or two away yet.
This is going off topic though and doesn't answer why JLR don't push the Jaguar brand more as they have been so successful with the Land Rover and Range Rover brands.
Just me that sees tonnes of JLR vehicles on the road nowadays?
I mean, maybe I look for them more because my dad has an F-Pace and an XK and he's had XF's in the past but XF's especially seemed to be everywhere the past few years, much more common than the 5-series or E-Class, A6 too.
I mean, maybe I look for them more because my dad has an F-Pace and an XK and he's had XF's in the past but XF's especially seemed to be everywhere the past few years, much more common than the 5-series or E-Class, A6 too.
F1GTRUeno said:
Just me that sees tonnes of JLR vehicles on the road nowadays?
Nope, I see tonnes of them too, living pretty close to Coventry and Gayton. They are almost certainly the biggest employer round the Cov/Warwickshire area, and a lot of those jobs are highly skilled and highly paid. All those foreign sales brings money into an area which doesnt have a lot going for it.
That said, a lad a work has an XE and it doesnt do a lot for me, compared with my A4.
GetCarter said:
ian in lancs said:
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
closer to poor than good
Were you in Shieldaig today? If not, somebody with an identical car was http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search...
closer to poor than good
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