Jaguar Land Rover

[ian in lancs]

akadk said:

Usual Ph bollux sprouted here

Id be embarrassed to work along side many of the people sprouting such drivel as it demonstrates sub GCSE level of business knowledge and general understanding of not only the automotive sector, but the world in general

It shall continue as long as idiots grace this planet, for which there are too many unfortunately

Rofl I shall return my MBA forthwith

[craigjm]

ian in lancs said:

akadk said:

Usual Ph bollux sprouted here

Id be embarrassed to work along side many of the people sprouting such drivel as it demonstrates sub GCSE level of business knowledge and general understanding of not only the automotive sector, but the world in general

It shall continue as long as idiots grace this planet, for which there are too many unfortunately

Rofl I shall return my MBA forthwith

I'm sorry but nobody with an MBA should ever be found using terms such as Rofl especially on a public forum.

[Oilchange]

I may be misinformed but I heard recently that JLR can't build their cars quick enough to meet demand. A good thing I'd say...

[sheepman]

Oilchange said:

I may be misinformed but I heard recently that JLR can't build their cars quick enough to meet demand. A good thing I'd say...

you heard correct for solihull atleast, FA1 build hall (disco, FFRR, RRS) is flat out with compulsory overtime every week to meet demand. FA2 ( low spec RRS, F-pace, Velar) is getting there too, they have just turned the track speed up to 44 per hour (like FA1) and no doubt after this May shutdown we'll be hit with compulsory overtime to meet the demand for Velar and f-pace.

Edited by sheepman on Monday 29th May 09:33

Edited by sheepman on Monday 29th May 09:35

[njw1]

Jazzy Jag said:

Mastiff said:

Willy Nilly said:

But the reliability of Land Rover does little to put people off so why does it matter with their cars?

Land Rover seem to have ever conceivable SUV sector covered, well, except proper work horses, yet Jaguar have a hand full of cars that sell in modest numbers. Where as the Germans have everything covered from dressed up Fabias to luxury salons that people are happy to pay a premium for.

Are you actually talking about Land Rover here? If you are then you are talking bks and I will happily book you on an off road experience to prove the point.

Actually, no I won't - as anyone who knows anything about LR products is aware that their off road ability (which I take is what you mean by work horse) is fundamental to their design and build.

Even the "soft road" stuff (Evoque for example) will go further than most people think. The big stuff will go MUCH further than a Defender would ever have gone, and blow cold air up your arse as it does so, which you may need considering the amount of hot air being blown about by some on this thread.

To be fair, Willy nilley was probably not referring to off road capabilities but the fact that a farmer is unlikely to throw some sheep in the back of a Discovery like he would have done in his defender pick up.

There are no commercial variants of LR products IIRC.

The guy at the garage I use has a Range Rover Sport Autobiography, it is plastered in sign-writing, always full of tools and bits of car and nearly always has a car trailer hanging off the back. If that's not a workhorse I don't know what is!

[surveyor]

I was given an XE at Dublin airport.. cheap shiny plastics, nosy Diesel engine. The mondeo does it better.

On top,of this, this particular car would not charge my phone, which rather tested my gps strategy. Yet when I dropped back to swap it, the Audi using the same chargers was fine.

And while not like for like the a6 interior was much more pleasing.

[liner33]

DSLiverpool said:

Your spot on, I went from a CLS to a XFR and the interior quality was veneer deep - the leather looked like vinyl, the boot wasn't fully trimmed and the touch screen Ui was out the ark.

I went from an E Class to a Skoda Superb, the leather and plastics weren't as nice in the Skoda but the car was significantly better all round and much more reliable.

Good on JLR imo , had a Land Rover once and it was dreadful as were the dealers , will never own another but enjoying my Jag

[VGTICE]

Quick bank holiday quiz, can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture.

[liner33]

VGTICE said:

Quick bank holiday quiz, can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture.

Adblue tank in boot (which is wrong as diesels are wrong) but it also has quad pipes

[VGTICE]

liner33 said:

Adblue tank in boot

Bingo, what the faque were they thinking.

[craigjm]

VGTICE said:

liner33 said:

Adblue tank in boot

Bingo, what the faque were they thinking.

What's wrong with that? At least it's easily accessible with a boot full of stuff. In quite a few MB etc it's under te boot floor so you have to empty everything.

[anonymous-user]

Great seeing more Jags on the road, look far superior to most German cars that look so mundane.
Perhaps with The squeaky clean VW image tarnished and currency that is geared up for their exports people are waking up.

[Piersman2]

I will declare an interest, I have a FFR and an XKR, so maybe not entirely neutral.

However, I was coming up the M4 Friday night and got buzzed by two cars that were 'making' progress through traffic to peel off at J12. Smallish cars, svelte looks, non-fussy edges, they were nice enough compared to the plethora of ugly mercs and BMWs to make me wonder what they were as they caught up... turned out to be two XE's , one in dark blue, the other dark red.

I was surprised how smart they looked, nice clean,subtle shape.

[VGTICE]

craigjm said:

VGTICE said:

liner33 said:

Adblue tank in boot

Bingo, what the faque were they thinking.

What's wrong with that? At least it's easily accessible with a boot full of stuff. In quite a few MB etc it's under te boot floor so you have to empty everything.

You or someone else will spill that sweet adblue juice and it will all soak into the trim. MB's way of doing it means you can wipe it off at least.
It's a sign of laziness.
Others do it like this.

[RobDown]

This is such a typical Pistonheads thread

OP asks a click-bait question "why is the incredibly successfully, record breaking car-seller Jaguar so poor at selling cars?"

Thats then followed by several comments from the hip with no factual grounding "the record breaking sales are because he reliability is so poor"

Then the factual inaccuracies are highlighted....

....but it makes no difference to PH'ers because someone who's dad once worked for JLR (and who once drove a rover 20 years ago) says they're no good

And so on.

Love it

[Jazzy Jag]

RobDown said:

This is such a typical Pistonheads thread

OP asks a click-bait question "why is the incredibly successfully, record breaking car-seller Jaguar so poor at selling cars?"

Thats then followed by several comments from the hip with no factual grounding "the record breaking sales are because he reliability is so poor"

Then the factual inaccuracies are highlighted....

....but it makes no difference to PH'ers because someone who's dad once worked for JLR (and who once drove a rover 20 years ago) says they're no good

And so on.

Love it

But, but the Adblue cap is in the wrong place

Other manufacturers put it in a place where you can spill it down your paintwork.

[eltax91]

What's with all the bemoaning about LR not providing something that farmer joe can chuck the sheep in the back of? Didn't the Japanese steal that market from them years ago with all the pickups? Bigger, better, more reliable and more comfortable and whilst not as good off road, certainly good enough for average farm work like moving feed and animals about some wet grass.

I was into off-roading for years and the vast majority had defender or disco to smash about the pay and play sites (me included). The popular opinion then was farmers had moved away from LR already.

LR moved upmarket and are making a huge success if it. We shouldn't poo poo that as it's a great employer for the U.K. Economy.

[Pothole]

Willy Nilly said:

It seems that JLR can do no wrong when they design an SUV and people queue up in the streets to pay full list for them.

So why don't they put the same effort into their cars and start beating buyers away from the dealerships?

I appreciate that SUV's are the in thing and they make a decent margin on them thus they invest more, but their cars seem to be forgotten about. Or am I wrong?

Over to the panel.

I think production ability might be an issue if the company produced figures are to be believed

"Jaguar sells a record-breaking 148,730 vehicles in 2016, up an extraordinary 77%"

"Jaguar sales were up an exceptional 77% for the year, retailing 148,730 vehicles. This was the brand’s strongest ever full-year performance and was primarily driven by sales of the Jaguar F-PACE, XE and XF. These new models have propelled Jaguar to become the fastest growing premium brand in the US, outpacing the industry by 116%. Globally, F-PACE sales were especially strong, with 45,973 sold throughout the year. Jaguar received 71 awards in 2016 for its products, with the F-PACE amassing more than a third of these – including Car of the Year by Auto Express. In November, the Jaguar XF won Germany’s top car award, the Golden Steering Wheel, after being voted ‘Best Saloon’ in the Mid-Full-size category."

but bloke on PH doesn't like them so they must be struggling to sell any?

[AAGR]

Pothole said:

I think production ability might be an issue if the company produced figures are to be believed

"Jaguar sells a record-breaking 148,730 vehicles in 2016, up an extraordinary 77%"

"Jaguar sales were up an exceptional 77% for the year, retailing 148,730 vehicles. This was the brand’s strongest ever full-year performance and was primarily driven by sales of the Jaguar F-PACE, XE and XF. These new models have propelled Jaguar to become the fastest growing premium brand in the US, outpacing the industry by 116%. Globally, F-PACE sales were especially strong, with 45,973 sold throughout the year. Jaguar received 71 awards in 2016 for its products, with the F-PACE amassing more than a third of these – including Car of the Year by Auto Express. In November, the Jaguar XF won Germany’s top car award, the Golden Steering Wheel, after being voted ‘Best Saloon’ in the Mid-Full-size category."

but bloke on PH doesn't like them so they must be struggling to sell any?

+1

[anonymous-user]

RobDown said:

This is such a typical Pistonheads thread

OP asks a click-bait question "why is the incredibly successfully, record breaking car-seller Jaguar so poor at selling cars?"

Thats then followed by several comments from the hip with no factual grounding "the record breaking sales are because he reliability is so poor"

Then the factual inaccuracies are highlighted....

....but it makes no difference to PH'ers because someone who's dad once worked for JLR (and who once drove a rover 20 years ago) says they're no good

And so on.

Love it

I know.

It's utterly, utterly pathetic beyond belief.

JLR are enjoying a massive boom, have never had so many models available, so much choice for buyers, and can't make the cars fast enough, such is the demand from the car buying public.

They can do no wrong at the moment.

My bodyshop does quite a bit of work for the local JLR dealership, and as such we get to drive most of their products on a regular basis and I like them all. The 'R' and 'Sport' model Jags especially. The interiors are acres of carbon fibre, nice leather, alcantara, Meridian sound systems. Really nice.

If you've ever been in a top spec XJ with wall to wall Carbon and Leather, you will know that they absolutely pee all over any Merc, BMW, Audi etc for interior style and feel.

I've been on a track day with the dealership in the Supercharged and R versions of XE, XF and F Type etc, and they were brilliant. They really have got the drive and dynamics right.

But yeah, apparently all this is utterly meaningless to the people of PH because 30 years ago they were crap and now the ad-blue fuel cap is in the wrong place.

It's a total joke.

I for one am celebrating the success and efforts of our Jaguar and Land Rover brands.

If I wanted a luxury 4x4/SUV then there is nothing that compares to a Range Rover, and if I wanted a new saloon then I would seriously consider a Jag XE or XF R sport rather than blending in with millions of utterly bland Audi/BMW/Merc's.