Is it time to ban overtaking?
Discussion
V8RX7 said:
It's impossible to comprehend because of course the "safe" drivers are leaving a 2 second gap to the car ahead and are aware of what's going on around them, so upon seeing the overtaker, aid him by creating a larger gap.
Or could it be that the brain dead sheep don't consider anything and object to a "queue jumper" so close the gap to the car ahead, creating the incident.
(No I don't drive a Cmax)
The only brain dead sheep were in the back of the farmers pick up that the seven cars were following. In olden times swerving in to a non existent gap was known as 'cutting up' and was a Or could it be that the brain dead sheep don't consider anything and object to a "queue jumper" so close the gap to the car ahead, creating the incident.
(No I don't drive a Cmax)
ish thing to do. I guess nowadays victim blaming is fashionable and if we are put in a dangerous situation by some tt barging into a non existent gap and forcing emergency braking it is our fault for having the temerity to be in front of them.Edited by princealbert23 on Tuesday 30th May 19:27
Mr Tidy said:
M4cruiser said:
Mr Tidy said:
I came home from Cheshire last week, just over 200 miles. So at 40mph it would have taken 5 hours. But I averaged about 60mph so was home in just over 3 hours.
Mr Tidy, Was that 200 miles really all on single lane roads?I'm not suggesting you should do 40 in a 70 limit if you can do 70!
How much would you have really lost if you just didn't overtake the 40mph people in a 60 limit?
What has single lane roads got to do with it? Or have you revised your thread heading?!
Based on that I should have sat behind anyone doing 50 mph (or less) on the M6, M42, M5, M40,etc. I mean, we can't overtake can we?
What a T*at! 
Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
M4cruiser said:
Please read the first two lines of my original post - I am suggesting banning overtaking only where there is 1 lane in the direction you are going. So 2 lanes or 3 (e.g. the M6, M42 etc) don't come into it. Maybe you've mis-understood the whole thing!
Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
I've figured it out.Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
Apart from being whatever the diametric opposite of a petrol head is, you have shares in a line paint manufacturer.
princealbert23 said:
The only brain dead sheep were in the back of the farmers pick up that the seven cars were following. In olden times swerving in to a non existent gap was known as 'cutting up' and was a ish thing to do. I guess nowadays victim blaming is fashionable and if we are put in a dangerous situation by some tt barging into a non existent gap and forcing emergency braking it is our fault for having the temerity to be in front of them.
But why was there a non existent gap,why wasn't there a safe braking distance between each of you ?ish thing to do. I guess nowadays victim blaming is fashionable and if we are put in a dangerous situation by some tt barging into a non existent gap and forcing emergency braking it is our fault for having the temerity to be in front of them.Why when observing the road around you, did you all not aid the overtaker ?
I don't think banning overtaking is the appropriate measure to take...
But after a complete moron undertook me and had to sharply turn between my car and another a little ahead in his original lane, whilst I was obeying the speed limit may I add... I think something has to be done. He for example endangered three drivers including himself, not including any additional passengers...
But after a complete moron undertook me and had to sharply turn between my car and another a little ahead in his original lane, whilst I was obeying the speed limit may I add... I think something has to be done. He for example endangered three drivers including himself, not including any additional passengers...
Go ahead, let's ban it. I'll still overtake, just like thousands of people still use their phones at the wheel, or the millions of MLMs that clog up the motorways. Banning something really means nothing if there's no one around to enforce it. It just makes the lot from BRAKE et al feel like they've achieved something with their constant whining...
Op has come in for plenty of flack, so just to add; I used to live in leafy Berkshire too. And tbh, if I still did I wouldn't see the point of overtaking either. But seeing as most of the single carriageway roads I drive are in the Pennines/Yorkshire Dales/Cumbria I can see a lot of good reasons to overtake (usually to get past tourists from leafy Berkshire 
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Op, you don't want to overtake? No problem don't, but ffs stop meddling in other people's business; sooner or later someone's going to suggest banning something that matters to you!
)Op, you don't want to overtake? No problem don't, but ffs stop meddling in other people's business; sooner or later someone's going to suggest banning something that matters to you!
Chromegrill said:
Ban overtaking? A step too far. But seriously, how often does the average motorist need to overtake? Twenty years ago many of the lorries on the road were a good deal less powerful than they are now and I'd have to overtake or face long delays. But as pointed out above, often even "slower" vehicles be they cars or lorries are now going much closer to the speed limit and I don't need to overtake nearly so often. That even of itself makes overtaking more dangerous - partly because I have to drive parallel to the vehicle I'm overtaking for longer as the difference in speed is less, and partly because the less often I overtake, the less confident and well practiced I am when I do overtake. And I'm sure that some of the people who end up in hospital having wrapped their car around a tree or an oncoming vehicle swore blind before their life changing accident that they were safer than average drivers. After all, most people think they are safer than average.
Thank you Chromegrill. Quite a sensible contribution! Yes the distance on the "wrong side" of the road does increase a lot, e.g. to overtake at 60 a car/lorry doing 50 you need at least 611 yards on the wrong side (up from 247 for overtaking someone doing 40) - unless you compromise on speed limit and/or gap, as hinted at by others.M4cruiser said:
Chromegrill said:
Ban overtaking? A step too far. But seriously, how often does the average motorist need to overtake? Twenty years ago many of the lorries on the road were a good deal less powerful than they are now and I'd have to overtake or face long delays. But as pointed out above, often even "slower" vehicles be they cars or lorries are now going much closer to the speed limit and I don't need to overtake nearly so often. That even of itself makes overtaking more dangerous - partly because I have to drive parallel to the vehicle I'm overtaking for longer as the difference in speed is less, and partly because the less often I overtake, the less confident and well practiced I am when I do overtake. And I'm sure that some of the people who end up in hospital having wrapped their car around a tree or an oncoming vehicle swore blind before their life changing accident that they were safer than average drivers. After all, most people think they are safer than average.
Thank you Chromegrill. Quite a sensible contribution! Yes the distance on the "wrong side" of the road does increase a lot, e.g. to overtake at 60 a car/lorry doing 50 you need at least 611 yards on the wrong side (up from 247 for overtaking someone doing 40) - unless you compromise on speed limit and/or gap, as hinted at by others.M4cruiser said:
Please read the first two lines of my original post - I am suggesting banning overtaking only where there is 1 lane in the direction you are going. So 2 lanes or 3 (e.g. the M6, M42 etc) don't come into it. Maybe you've mis-understood the whole thing!
Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
Maybe you have misunderstood - there are two lanes on most roads (narrow country lanes excepted) and you can legally use both - other than crossing a solid white line...Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
Perhaps if you understood that in driving you pass right side to right side (i.e. me on the left and them on their left) rather than religiously policing your ownership of a specific lane - then you would 'get' driving a lot better! Where there is no car on the other side of the road and markings / street furniture etc. allowing then it is as legal to drive on the right side as it is on the left... if you are happy with people overtaking on a dual carriageway, then the only negative about overtaking on a single carriageway is that people don't do it well - so teach them to overtake, don't ban what you don't understand / know how to do... And just because you don't understand overtaking doesn't mean others can't do it and do it well - I don't understand quantum mechanics - not going to ban it though!
M4cruiser said:
No, how wrong could you be!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
And this is such a good example of bad driving... Good driving - and the advanced driver is about intelligent driving - making progress where possible and sensible - driving slowly where necessary / safer. It is about engaging brain and driving to the road and setting - not lazy driving... this attitude is why people come off a roundabout in the right lane and stay there for 2 miles because they are going to turn right at the next roundabout rather than actually obeying the rules and using the second lane only as an overtaking lane - they then wonder why (as they toddle along in the wrong lane at 40mph) others get frustrated and undertake - and then swear at them!It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
on the other hand perhaps applying your logic might be a good thing for you - you get in your car and it is stationary with the engine off - when you finish your journey it will be the same, so why not save effort (and everyone else's sanity) and keep it that way as there is no point in driving when you will have to be parked again - you could be clever and all eco and remain parked throughout your journey - just think how many people you will make happy by not applying your dodgy philosophy and self-righteousness to your journey...
akirk said:
M4cruiser said:
Please read the first two lines of my original post - I am suggesting banning overtaking only where there is 1 lane in the direction you are going. So 2 lanes or 3 (e.g. the M6, M42 etc) don't come into it. Maybe you've mis-understood the whole thing!
Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
Maybe you have misunderstood - there are two lanes on most roads (narrow country lanes excepted) and you can legally use both - other than crossing a solid white line...Note that "dual carriageways" or "motorways" have nothing to do with it, the essential part is " 1 lane " .. and there are some multiple carriageway roads with only 1 lane.
Perhaps if you understood that in driving you pass right side to right side (i.e. me on the left and them on their left) rather than religiously policing your ownership of a specific lane - then you would 'get' driving a lot better! Where there is no car on the other side of the road and markings / street furniture etc. allowing then it is as legal to drive on the right side as it is on the left... if you are happy with people overtaking on a dual carriageway, then the only negative about overtaking on a single carriageway is that people don't do it well - so teach them to overtake, don't ban what you don't understand / know how to do... And just because you don't understand overtaking doesn't mean others can't do it and do it well - I don't understand quantum mechanics - not going to ban it though!
M4cruiser said:
No, how wrong could you be!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
And this is such a good example of bad driving... Good driving - and the advanced driver is about intelligent driving - making progress where possible and sensible - driving slowly where necessary / safer. It is about engaging brain and driving to the road and setting - not lazy driving... this attitude is why people come off a roundabout in the right lane and stay there for 2 miles because they are going to turn right at the next roundabout rather than actually obeying the rules and using the second lane only as an overtaking lane - they then wonder why (as they toddle along in the wrong lane at 40mph) others get frustrated and undertake - and then swear at them!It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
on the other hand perhaps applying your logic might be a good thing for you - you get in your car and it is stationary with the engine off - when you finish your journey it will be the same, so why not save effort (and everyone else's sanity) and keep it that way as there is no point in driving when you will have to be parked again - you could be clever and all eco and remain parked throughout your journey - just think how many people you will make happy by not applying your dodgy philosophy and self-righteousness to your journey...
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