Is it time to ban overtaking?
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The brain-dead 40mph crew are usually marvelling at the empty road in front of them, as they never look in their mirrors.
OP, these may be more to your taste:
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OP, these may be more to your taste:
http://www.brake.org.uk
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/cars
I cant be bothered to read the entire thread, but lets be honest who only sticks to 60 when overtaking someone doing 40 in a 60? I was told by the wilts police as a motorcyclist that if i overtake I have cartblanch to do go over the limit to get safely past..
On other forums you're able to report people for abuse, posts that could wind up the general populous, surely we can get this guy kicked off for posting in an un-ph manner..?!
On other forums you're able to report people for abuse, posts that could wind up the general populous, surely we can get this guy kicked off for posting in an un-ph manner..?!
Edited by PorkRind on Monday 29th May 11:22
lord trumpton said:
I can envisage the whole scenario...
OP is sat at home with his t shirt tucked into his trousers and his underpants on his head enthusiastically reading his latest copy of his IAM magazine.
Outside, parked on the block paved drive is his recently washed Toyota Avensis automatic in a drab beige colour; adorned with AA badge and IAM window sticker. The interior sports a blanket on the back seat for his Yorkshire terrier named treacle or similar and the parcel shelf has a few cushions and an umbrella perched on top.
Enthused and motivated by the overtaking article in his pristine copy of the magazine; our OP sets about campaigning to ban overtaking.
OP is sat at home with his t shirt tucked into his trousers and his underpants on his head enthusiastically reading his latest copy of his IAM magazine.
Outside, parked on the block paved drive is his recently washed Toyota Avensis automatic in a drab beige colour; adorned with AA badge and IAM window sticker. The interior sports a blanket on the back seat for his Yorkshire terrier named treacle or similar and the parcel shelf has a few cushions and an umbrella perched on top.
Enthused and motivated by the overtaking article in his pristine copy of the magazine; our OP sets about campaigning to ban overtaking.
For the avoidance of doubt, yes I'm at home, dress code nothing like your description, dipping in to mag occasionally.
Drive isn't block paved, my car isn't beige, no blanket, no dog, no cushions ... umbrella in the boot!
Jonno02 said:
I actually meant to add another part to my post, we're all guilty of doing it now and again. I've caught myself in a day dream sitting at the dreaded 45 on a NSL. But if I see someone bearing down on me, I snap out of it. But because you may be happy to dawdle at 40, doesn't mean everybody behind you is, so I don't see how sitting at 40 on a NSL isn't selfish. Making as much room as you can though is very helpful, something most drivers aren't bothered about.
The road I'm most infuriated by has 2 housing estates join it. Mine and another. When I pull onto the 60, I get to 60. But so many other people pull out of the estate further up, when they definitely should not have pulled onto the road, causing hard braking... but then sit at 30-40 and make no effort to speed up.
Not quite the same, but I was on a well sighted piece of road, approaching a junction. I had two vehicles turn right across my path. The second one pushed it a bit, but didn't inconvenience me. Then some The road I'm most infuriated by has 2 housing estates join it. Mine and another. When I pull onto the 60, I get to 60. But so many other people pull out of the estate further up, when they definitely should not have pulled onto the road, causing hard braking... but then sit at 30-40 and make no effort to speed up.
wit, who I'm confident had been sitting at that junction previously, seemed to decide that if they couldn't see me any more, I wasn't there any more. I managed to swerve onto the right turn box instead of hammering the brakes (which wasn't necessarily going to be enough). I don't think they complained (I was going past at 60, so I wouldn't have seen anyway ), but they then proceeded to drive at about 30 mph! I'm glad that I swerved, as there aren't many overtaking opportunities for the next few miles. 
ILoveMondeo said:
I don't really know much about the IAM, but are they in fact just a bunch of miserable old anoraks with not interest in the pleasure of driving what-so-ever but more concerned about being "correct" to the letter of the law/highway code?
Varies. Being the lowest rung of "advanced" driving they attract that sort more readily. I did it soon after passing my regular test, and my observer was really good at curing "new driver hesitation", he pushed me to drive a lot more positively than I'd otherwise have done. He did this despite driving an automatic OAP-mobile, wearing a flat cap and driving gloves to sit in the passenger seat, and being about 9 million years old. He really looked the picture of "25 is more than enough in a 40".ILoveMondeo said:
I don't really know much about the IAM, but are they in fact just a bunch of miserable old anoraks with not interest in the pleasure of driving what-so-ever but more concerned about being "correct" to the letter of the law/highway code?
No, how wrong could you be!!!!!!!!!!!It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
wst said:
ILoveMondeo said:
I don't really know much about the IAM, but are they in fact just a bunch of miserable old anoraks with not interest in the pleasure of driving what-so-ever but more concerned about being "correct" to the letter of the law/highway code?
Varies. Being the lowest rung of "advanced" driving they attract that sort more readily. I did it soon after passing my regular test, and my observer was really good at curing "new driver hesitation", he pushed me to drive a lot more positively than I'd otherwise have done. He did this despite driving an automatic OAP-mobile, wearing a flat cap and driving gloves to sit in the passenger seat, and being about 9 million years old. He really looked the picture of "25 is more than enough in a 40". fair enough! M4cruiser said:
ILoveMondeo said:
I don't really know much about the IAM, but are they in fact just a bunch of miserable old anoraks with not interest in the pleasure of driving what-so-ever but more concerned about being "correct" to the letter of the law/highway code?
No, how wrong could you be!!!!!!!!!!!It's all about safety, whilst still making progress. Recently though the IAM has listened to the "eco" message and you don't have to boot it quite so much now. Example: When I took my test you had to accelerate a decent bit when you moved in to a NSL from a 30 or a 40. Now you don't, you can plan more, i.e. if that NSL stretch isn't very long then what's the point in using the extra fuel to save a few seconds?
There's a road I use often which does exactly that, it's NSL for about 1 mile before a necessary slow down for a roundabout leading on to the dual carriageway, so no point at all in doing 60 or going for an overtake. If I get a chance I'll download it from the dash cam and you can see what you'd do there.
Ban it, don't ban it, what difference does it make? As long as overtaker doesn't do it in front of a speed camera, who's going to enforce it?
People will still overtake. People will still try to block them. people will still get angry when overtaken and flash their headlights a lot.
Apart from speeding, bus lanes and anything else that can be enforced by camera, people are still going to drive pretty much how they want.
just as they do now. So who cares?
People will still overtake. People will still try to block them. people will still get angry when overtaken and flash their headlights a lot.
Apart from speeding, bus lanes and anything else that can be enforced by camera, people are still going to drive pretty much how they want.
just as they do now. So who cares?
Rick1.8t said:
The reason some do 40 on an nsl/60 road is sometimes education - when I attended a speed awareness course (76 in a 70 before I get labelled a monster...) they showed a picture of a single lane nsl road, with sign and asked people what the correct limit was, looooads of them thought it was 40 and many 50mph. Same question to the nsl dual carriageway and many thought the speed was 60mph, actually about half of the 20 strong group got that wrong.
The only speeds they all knew was the motorway and signed 30 limits
- so, that's where some of your 40 in an nsl drivers are coming from, and prob why they block in such an aggressive manner etc - they think you are a loon doing 20mph over the limit.
Of course you then need to add biddies / lorries / tractors / half asleep people carrier drivers to the mix too.
Exactly my experience too, whilst on a SAC last year.The only speeds they all knew was the motorway and signed 30 limits
- so, that's where some of your 40 in an nsl drivers are coming from, and prob why they block in such an aggressive manner etc - they think you are a loon doing 20mph over the limit.
Of course you then need to add biddies / lorries / tractors / half asleep people carrier drivers to the mix too.
One of the people who thought the NSL A-road was 40mph was a young lad who hadn't that long passed his driving test.
For the NSL dual-carriageway, most people said 50mph, a handful said 60mph and then myself and one other chap said 70mph much to the disdain of the rest of the group.
My biggest bugbear is the insistence on others of driving nose to tail forming a tight convoy which is then difficult to pass.
I have also noticed since the HGV limit was raised to 50mph, that wagons are routinely held up by slower car drivers, or that you see a HGV at the head of a convoy assuming it'll hold everything up, and then watch it power off into the distance leaving the slower cars behind.
theboss said:
I have also noticed since the HGV limit was raised to 50mph, that wagons are routinely held up by slower car drivers, or that you see a HGV at the head of a convoy assuming it'll hold everything up, and then watch it power off into the distance leaving the slower cars behind.
The problem is that too many LGV drivers regard driving on the 56MPH limiter as close enough to 50. Then on a 50 limited single carriageway the car drivers can't help but hold them up.Solocle said:
Not quite the same, but I was on a well sighted piece of road, approaching a junction. I had two vehicles turn right across my path. The second one pushed it a bit, but didn't inconvenience me. Then some wit, who I'm confident had been sitting at that junction previously, seemed to decide that if they couldn't see me any more, I wasn't there any more. I managed to swerve onto the right turn box instead of hammering the brakes (which wasn't necessarily going to be enough). I don't think they complained (I was going past at 60, so I wouldn't have seen anyway ), but they then proceeded to drive at about 30 mph! I'm glad that I swerved, as there aren't many overtaking opportunities for the next few miles.
Sounds identical to the road I was talking about, but a little further up. Same setup, people coming out of a poorly sighted junction decide that if they can't see the road, it should be ok. I've had to pull into the right turn lane several times too. You'd think some form of self preservation would come into it, if I t-bone your car at 60mph, you're going to come out worst.wit, who I'm confident had been sitting at that junction previously, seemed to decide that if they couldn't see me any more, I wasn't there any more. I managed to swerve onto the right turn box instead of hammering the brakes (which wasn't necessarily going to be enough). I don't think they complained (I was going past at 60, so I wouldn't have seen anyway ), but they then proceeded to drive at about 30 mph! I'm glad that I swerved, as there aren't many overtaking opportunities for the next few miles. I travel globally and there are a few places where i just will not drive. Britain is one of them (Russia and China also for different reasons) . I have seen far too many of these sentiments, endless threads about people who drive too fast/too slow, tailgate, block, undertake and so on.
I am quite happy to enjoy driving in the madness of Sicily, the chaos of India, the discipline in Germany or the endless open roads of North America. In general I can overtake normally, drive with a bit of spirit, and it is very rare indeed to upset someone else..( of course I have made the odd mistake after millions of miles, but in general am considerate of other drivers). The UK is too purse lipped, too judgemental, and too quick to anger..
I lived in the UK for several years in my youth and I do not recall this kind of stuff. The very idea of banning overtaking is simply the precursor to ultimately banning driving and mandating autonomous vehicles. I drive as much for fun as for function, and if I have a sporting car I will find places to enjoy it in various ways both on and off the track. However,in the UK these days I simply use taxis or public transport, and going out to the country for a drive is just not worth it any more.
I am quite happy to enjoy driving in the madness of Sicily, the chaos of India, the discipline in Germany or the endless open roads of North America. In general I can overtake normally, drive with a bit of spirit, and it is very rare indeed to upset someone else..( of course I have made the odd mistake after millions of miles, but in general am considerate of other drivers). The UK is too purse lipped, too judgemental, and too quick to anger..
I lived in the UK for several years in my youth and I do not recall this kind of stuff. The very idea of banning overtaking is simply the precursor to ultimately banning driving and mandating autonomous vehicles. I drive as much for fun as for function, and if I have a sporting car I will find places to enjoy it in various ways both on and off the track. However,in the UK these days I simply use taxis or public transport, and going out to the country for a drive is just not worth it any more.
Dr Jekyll said:
theboss said:
I have also noticed since the HGV limit was raised to 50mph, that wagons are routinely held up by slower car drivers, or that you see a HGV at the head of a convoy assuming it'll hold everything up, and then watch it power off into the distance leaving the slower cars behind.
The problem is that too many LGV drivers regard driving on the 56MPH limiter as close enough to 50. Then on a 50 limited single carriageway the car drivers can't help but hold them up.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff