RE: New TVR for Goodwood!
Discussion
kambites said:
For 400bhp/tonne in a genuinely usable coupe type package (rather than a super-light), £90k is decidedly "budget" isn't it?
The p\w ratio is a consequence of sticking a big engine in a light weight body. The LS engine isn't particularly expensive, you can get it in a £35k Mustang. Economies of scale obviously mean it's going to cost a bit more but don't really see why it should cost 3 times as much. I bet they'll be some compromises in equipment and safety stuff to get it down to that target weight too. Not saying that's a bad thing but that should also reduce the complexity, hence the cost.Don't get me wrong I want this to succeed but at £90K it will be aimed at an entirely different market to the traditional TVR owner IMO.
I'm not sure that production cost has ever had much bearing on list price. I suppose whoever is behind this has looked at the market and decided on whatever price point will make the most profit (which obviously isn't the same as most sales).
I agree that it's unlikely to appeal to traditional TVR buyers at that price point, but then arguably traditional TVR buyers weren't enough to support TVR. Whether they get it right, obviously remains to be seen.
I agree that it's unlikely to appeal to traditional TVR buyers at that price point, but then arguably traditional TVR buyers weren't enough to support TVR. Whether they get it right, obviously remains to be seen.
Guvernator said:
Don't get me wrong I want this to succeed but at £90K it will be aimed at an entirely different market to the traditional TVR owner IMO.
And maybe that's what they are going for.Perhaps TVR are aiming at Lotus - people forgive Lotus a multitude of sins because they are a niche product.
However, if they want to be the car that someone chooses over a 911GTS or an F-Type SVR, then they need to approach the game VERY differently. I don't think those customers will forgive iffy build quality or lack of refinement the way that a potential Lotus owner would.
Ultimately, I don't think we can compare 'New TVR' to old TVR. The only thing they have in common is the name, really.
Let's not forget that £90k is for the Launch Edition, 500 special cars with all the options ticked and being produced to celebrate the rebirth of an iconic brand. The base car following the LE is expected to be at a significantly lower price and more in line with the expected inflationary increase since the last TVR. The LE will set the tone so it's important that it has everything ticked and is the flagship. It's job will be to confirm the build process, performance and quality, wow the motoring journalists, and reward the few that were fortunate enough to have the resources and had the faith to put a deposit down sight unseen. As already said, £90k is serious money but what else in that price bracket can boast those performance figures and be a usable GT? Now knock 20 grand off that for the base car but lose none of the performance - surely that has TVR written all over it.
thecook101 said:
Let's not forget that £90k is for the Launch Edition, 500 special cars with all the options ticked and being produced to celebrate the rebirth of an iconic brand. The base car following the LE is expected to be at a significantly lower price and more in line with the expected inflationary increase since the last TVR. The LE will set the tone so it's important that it has everything ticked and is the flagship. It's job will be to confirm the build process, performance and quality, wow the motoring journalists, and reward the few that were fortunate enough to have the resources and had the faith to put a deposit down sight unseen. As already said, £90k is serious money but what else in that price bracket can boast those performance figures and be a usable GT? Now knock 20 grand off that for the base car but lose none of the performance - surely that has TVR written all over it.
That's the question isn't it, some people are saying that the base price is actually going to come in at more like £90k. Whether they're right or not remains to be seen. kambites said:
That's the question isn't it, some people are saying that the base price is actually going to come in at more like £90k. Whether they're right or not remains to be seen.
Look at lot needs to fall in place still, but on TVR's website they explicitly say "With the special launch edition car being offered at under £90,000...". i.e. - LE car with all options ticked will be under £90k. If so the base car will be significantly lower.PhantomPH said:
Ultimately, I don't think we can compare 'New TVR' to old TVR. The only thing they have in common is the name, really.
Surely you could apply that rule to any car company as they improve build process, quality, design, engines, etc. Is Audi still Audi - their cars are so different from 40 years ago etc. I think it's an unfair summation in the case of TVR. I was at one of the preview presentations and Les Edgar plus all other presenters were at pains to detail just how much focus there was on retaining the ethos and spirit of TVR. Of course the new car will be better built and look different - but aren't all new models intended to be? I'm sure there will be those that proclaim that if it doesn't spend half it's time in a hedge or workshop then it's not a TVR, but lets face it - would anyone who loves the brand really want that to be it's epitaph?RichB said:
....Not quite. I purchased a new Griff 500 (full leather, metallic paint etc.) in March 1999 and paid a tad under £40k for it. According to the website I just visited in today's money that would be £48.5k
Year Amount Value Today
1999 £ 40000 £ 48465.90
That doesn't sound right. See [ur]HERE|https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/timeseries/chaw/mm23[/url]Year Amount Value Today
1999 £ 40000 £ 48465.90
RPI in March 1999 was 164.1. In April 2017 it was 269.3. So that's got to represent a bigger increase than circa 21%. Hasn't it?
Edited by v8s4me on Tuesday 6th June 20:09
thecook101 said:
PhantomPH said:
Ultimately, I don't think we can compare 'New TVR' to old TVR. The only thing they have in common is the name, really.
Surely you could apply that rule to any car company as they improve build process, quality, design, engines, etc. Is Audi still Audi - their cars are so different from 40 years ago etc. I think it's an unfair summation in the case of TVR. I was at one of the preview presentations and Les Edgar plus all other presenters were at pains to detail just how much focus there was on retaining the ethos and spirit of TVR. Of course the new car will be better built and look different - but aren't all new models intended to be? I'm sure there will be those that proclaim that if it doesn't spend half it's time in a hedge or workshop then it's not a TVR, but lets face it - would anyone who loves the brand really want that to be it's epitaph?PhantomPH said:
Shame there's no more leaked images.
Check this thread:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
or google "tvr battersea wraps" and check pictures.
The car under the cover is pretty much it, i would say, maybe details changed. The cover hides a lot of details though and makes its appearance quite bat-mobile-like , which it was not, once the cover came off. But shape, curvature and proportions can be seen even under the cover. Forget the renderings, they are all misleading. The lead foto (or rendering, hard to tell) for this article is the first true image of the car.
Well I've been excited for this since day one, my only reservation was the looks and after reading the comments of others and seeing the shape under the cover I'm now ready to believe its not only going to drive well, sound amazing but also look amazing as well.
Im just gutted i can't afford 90k for one, which is all the more gutting because you can almost guarantee that these first cars are going to be worth the same or more after a year, two years, three years........free or even profit motoring.
Personally i think tvr are testing the water to see if they can sell an even more expensive car. I think the normal edition will be out the window when people are lining up for a launch edition type car.
Im just gutted i can't afford 90k for one, which is all the more gutting because you can almost guarantee that these first cars are going to be worth the same or more after a year, two years, three years........free or even profit motoring.
Personally i think tvr are testing the water to see if they can sell an even more expensive car. I think the normal edition will be out the window when people are lining up for a launch edition type car.
bullittmcqueen said:
Check this thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
or google "tvr battersea wraps" and check pictures.
The car under the cover is pretty much it, i would say, maybe details changed. The cover hides a lot of details though and makes its appearance quite bat-mobile-like , which it was not, once the cover came off. But shape, curvature and proportions can be seen even under the cover. Forget the renderings, they are all misleading. The lead foto (or rendering, hard to tell) for this article is the first true image of the car.
Thanks for that link. My first thought on seeing the car under the wraps was "Ferrari F12". Proportions look fantastic. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
or google "tvr battersea wraps" and check pictures.
The car under the cover is pretty much it, i would say, maybe details changed. The cover hides a lot of details though and makes its appearance quite bat-mobile-like , which it was not, once the cover came off. But shape, curvature and proportions can be seen even under the cover. Forget the renderings, they are all misleading. The lead foto (or rendering, hard to tell) for this article is the first true image of the car.
unpc said:
MDL111 said:
Am I correct in assuming the engine will be a low revving engine - i.e. Not based on the GT350/R engine with the 8k rpm redline?
Yeah it's a diesel like 7k. Ford don't sell the Voodoo GT350 engine to anybody. carl_w said:
Guvernator said:
The p\w ratio is a consequence of sticking a big engine in a light weight body. The LS engine isn't particularly expensive, you can get it in a £35k Mustang.
The Ford Mustang has a GM/Chevy engine?And, on topic, great to see a new TVR and I really hope it's a success..
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