SUVs - Whats the point?
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One really does wonder what the point is of these ghastly things is when manufacturers do their level best to make them perform and handle as much like a normal everyday car as possible. A friend has a Porsche Cayenne (don't know what designation), and says it's wonderful as it "handles and goes just like a fast car". When I pointed out he could buy a Carrera for the same money and have the complete 'fast car' experience and use much less fuel he said "yes but the wife feels less intimated when she drives it". Nice for the wife, not so nice for everyone else on the road.
300bhp/ton said:
FiF said:
300bhp/ton said:
But winter tyres are not a miracle cure that suddenly give you the same grip and traction as hot dry tarmac does.
Nobody, but nobody, not even on the various winter tyre threads, has ever even remotely suggested this. Stop being stupid and coming out with irrelevant hyperbole like that, just making yourself look idiotic and sending the thread into full retard.Tone the point down considerably and it adds to the overall, but ridiculous and, yes, stupid, hyperbole like that simply detracts.
FiF said:
No it's never been implied once. It's a stupid hyperbolic facet to the argument. Seeing as seemingly you're defending making it, no more needs be said.
Tone the point down considerably and it adds to the overall, but ridiculous and, yes, stupid, hyperbole like that simply detracts.
Tone the point down considerably and it adds to the overall, but ridiculous and, yes, stupid, hyperbole like that simply detracts.
popeyewhite said:
One really does wonder what the point is of these ghastly things is when manufacturers do their level best to make them perform and handle as much like a normal everyday car as possible. A friend has a Porsche Cayenne (don't know what designation), and says it's wonderful as it "handles and goes just like a fast car". When I pointed out he could buy a Carrera for the same money and have the complete 'fast car' experience and use much less fuel he said "yes but the wife feels less intimated when she drives it". Nice for the wife, not so nice for everyone else on the road.
Maybe the kids/bike/life kit doesn't fit in a 911?Or maybe he didn't want one?
Or maybe his wife's feelings are more important to him that random bitter people on an Internet forum?
Or maybe, like me, he can't see why it is not so nice for 'everyone else on the road'?
popeyewhite said:
One really does wonder what the point is of these ghastly things is when manufacturers do their level best to make them perform and handle as much like a normal everyday car as possible. A friend has a Porsche Cayenne (don't know what designation), and says it's wonderful as it "handles and goes just like a fast car". When I pointed out he could buy a Carrera for the same money and have the complete 'fast car' experience and use much less fuel he said "yes but the wife feels less intimated when she drives it". Nice for the wife, not so nice for everyone else on the road.
Perhaps for the same reason I drive a Honda Civic and not a Honda S2000. I can't get two bikes and a weeks worth of kit in the back of an S2000. popeyewhite said:
One really does wonder what the point is of these ghastly things is when manufacturers do their level best to make them perform and handle as much like a normal everyday car as possible. A friend has a Porsche Cayenne (don't know what designation), and says it's wonderful as it "handles and goes just like a fast car". When I pointed out he could buy a Carrera for the same money and have the complete 'fast car' experience and use much less fuel he said "yes but the wife feels less intimated when she drives it". Nice for the wife, not so nice for everyone else on the road.
Therefore there is no point ?You're talking about one bloke who maybe meant it handles as well as a car in his normal usage? Maybe he just doesn't know much about cars and what handling means. I also know some people who have nice well handling cars - they still don't know what they're on about.
My Evoque does not handle as well as my Evora..... They do different tasks and are both very good at the task for which they were bought.
Ares said:
Maybe the kids/bike/life kit doesn't fit in a 911?
Or maybe he didn't want one?
Or maybe his wife's feelings are more important to him that random bitter people on an Internet forum?
Or maybe, like me, he can't see why it is not so nice for 'everyone else on the road'?
He inferred he'd quite like a Carrera, but, as I've already said, his wife feels less intimidated in the Cayenne. It's not a giant leap to grasp that a person who feels less intimidated in a certain vehicle is likely to drive more boldly in that vehicle. When the 'car' in question is a Cayenne/Audi/MB etc monster SUV that can mean a less pleasant experience for other road users as the newly emboldened housewife barrels down streets, country lanes etc Or maybe he didn't want one?
Or maybe his wife's feelings are more important to him that random bitter people on an Internet forum?
Or maybe, like me, he can't see why it is not so nice for 'everyone else on the road'?
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Maybe the kids/bike/life kit doesn't fit in a 911?
Or maybe he didn't want one?
Or maybe his wife's feelings are more important to him that random bitter people on an Internet forum?
Or maybe, like me, he can't see why it is not so nice for 'everyone else on the road'?
He inferred he'd quite like a Carrera, but, as I've already said, his wife feels less intimidated in the Cayenne. It's not a giant leap to grasp that a person who feels less intimidated in a certain vehicle is likely to drive more boldly in that vehicle. When the 'car' in question is a Cayenne/Audi/MB etc monster SUV that can mean a less pleasant experience for other road users as the newly emboldened housewife barrels down streets, country lanes etc Or maybe he didn't want one?
Or maybe his wife's feelings are more important to him that random bitter people on an Internet forum?
Or maybe, like me, he can't see why it is not so nice for 'everyone else on the road'?
I'd quite like a 911. My wife wouldn't, nor would my daughter who would get left behind or squeezed into minuscule back seats.
popeyewhite said:
He inferred he'd quite like a Carrera, but, as I've already said, his wife feels less intimidated in the Cayenne. It's not a giant leap to grasp that a person who feels less intimidated in a certain vehicle is likely to drive more boldly in that vehicle. When the 'car' in question is a Cayenne/Audi/MB etc monster SUV that can mean a less pleasant experience for other road users as the newly emboldened housewife barrels down streets, country lanes etc
So people should choose their car to make your day more pleasant? 
popeyewhite said:
Hungrymc said:
Therefore there is no point ?
The point is his wife likes it, even though the husband acknowledges the Carrera would suit him personally better.And do you feel that one example proves there is no point to SUVs? I recognise you have explicitly stated this but it could be inferred.
I ran a 911 as a daily for a number of years. I eventually put an SUV along side it (a compact one that I found very pleasant as a commuter tool). It suits the slog through traffic to the airport very well, its very relaxing, pleasant and easy. I no longer have the 911 but I replaced it with something a bit more exciting (in my opinion) which gets used for fun drives.
Both cars fit the proposes for which they were bought brilliantly.
Hungrymc said:
The issue therefore is his relationship with his wife? I'd suggest you take that to the lounge as its not really relevant here.
Is that really what you thought my post described?Hungrymc said:
And do you feel that one example proves there is no point to SUVs? I recognise you have explicitly stated this but it could be inferred.
I made it quite clear I thought they were "ghastly" and considering manufacturers are striving to make them more and more like cars why didn't people just go and buy a car?Hungrymc said:
I ran a 911 as a daily for a number of years. I eventually put an SUV along side it (a compact one that I found very pleasant as a commuter tool). It suits the slog through traffic to the airport very well, its very relaxing, pleasant and easy. I no longer have the 911 but I replaced it with something a bit more exciting (in my opinion) which gets used for fun drives.
Both cars fit the proposes for which they were bought brilliantly.
Actually you said the SUV was "..relaxing, pleasant and easy." I'm sure there are plenty of cars that fit that description, but people still buy SUVs. What about the confidence factor?Both cars fit the proposes for which they were bought brilliantly.
popeyewhite said:
Hungrymc said:
The issue therefore is his relationship with his wife? I'd suggest you take that to the lounge as its not really relevant here.
Is that really what you thought my post described?Hungrymc said:
And do you feel that one example proves there is no point to SUVs? I recognise you have explicitly stated this but it could be inferred.
I made it quite clear I thought they were "ghastly" and considering manufacturers are striving to make them more and more like cars why didn't people just go and buy a car?Hungrymc said:
I ran a 911 as a daily for a number of years. I eventually put an SUV along side it (a compact one that I found very pleasant as a commuter tool). It suits the slog through traffic to the airport very well, its very relaxing, pleasant and easy. I no longer have the 911 but I replaced it with something a bit more exciting (in my opinion) which gets used for fun drives.
Both cars fit the proposes for which they were bought brilliantly.
Actually you said the SUV was "..relaxing, pleasant and easy." I'm sure there are plenty of cars that fit that description, but people still buy SUVs. What about the confidence factor?Both cars fit the proposes for which they were bought brilliantly.
2) If they are becoming ever more car like, they will eventually disappear as they will become cars so there is nothing to discuss? But what you overlook is that there are some fundamental differences to cars and different buyers like different aspects. The slightly higher and more upright seating position, some prefer the general packaging, some like the ride, some like the towing ability, some do actually do off road / low grip work. For me, it was the driving position, the general NVH and that it has the loveliest interior of anything its size (in my opinion).
3) I've listed several times why I selected mine. And there may be plenty of cars that try to be relaxing and pleasant - but none of them do it quite as well as the one I bought (in my opinion).
I don't quite understand what you mean by confidence factor. My other vehicles are far riskier ways to travel and I drive the SUV in a much safer manner.
I can appreciate why they don't suit everyone. But I struggle with the general lack of understanding that people have different wants and needs from different cars. And just because people don't want the same attributes that someone else values, doesn't make it right or wrong. Its evident from so many posts that people wouldn't have an SUV because they don't handle or aren't engaging. Well I'd agree that generally they aren't (but others will point out that they can be their own certain challenge). But the only element of handling that was a factor in my commute plodder was that it should be adequate and the weight of controls should be nice. Very different off course with my Evora and 100% opposite to my bike.
The same old strawman argument keeps coming back - an estate is more practical and winter tyres are more important in low grip... Neither attribute were factors in choosing mine.
FiF said:
300bhp/ton said:
But winter tyres are not a miracle cure that suddenly give you the same grip and traction as hot dry tarmac does.
Nobody, but nobody, not even on the various winter tyre threads, has ever even remotely suggested this. Stop being stupid and coming out with irrelevant hyperbole like that, just making yourself look idiotic and sending the thread into full retard.SheldonCooper said:
Reductio ad absurdum
basically, like most long threads.
Here has anyone mentioned Hitler yet?
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