SUVs - Whats the point?
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oilspill said:
You've lost it now son! Did you get that cup of tea to calm you down?
I uttered some quick and basic points that image is a purchasing decisiosn nothing offensive whatsoever I wasnt even having a go at SUVs (nobody in their right might would say that was trying to sound intelligent)
If you push me for complex thoughts, I'd say more people are probably buying SUVs to feel safer as cars get bigger we feel more vunerable in the older smaller ones. But I dont aspire to come to have lengthy discussions.
The image thing is true and the fact you've claimed I'm illogical because narcissists havnt cottened on tot he bad image they also have shows your lack of intelligence. A narcissist thinks the world revolves around them, it's a mental condition, if they think something is the dogs b
ks nobody will ever convince them otherwise. Over to you bad tempered failed smart arse
Did you mean to quote my post before your Narcissist comment as that sets a context? I have been stating that people will have various reasons for buying various cars and SUVs. It seems there is a group that hold their view on what makes an acceptable car and what motivates other people to pick a car as some sort of universal truth, so yes there are posts on here that seem to believe the world revolves around them.
I didn't say narcissist haven't cottoned on to the bad image. I did say that any car enthusiast who has an SUV will certainly be aware of the negative image. I'm also not reading people with SUVs saying they are the dogs b
ks, I'm reading people talking about the different strengths and weakness and explaining why they made their choice.popeyewhite said:
No they were not. They were designed to be a step up from the Defender. The first gen were designed so the interior could be washed down with a hose. They had no carpets, power steering or air con. Maybe you didn't sit in the first gen?
An old friend of mine used to pick up motorcycles in one of the first Range Rovers. he needed to remove the front end but they went in ok.This doesnt appear possible in the newer ever trndier models? or the Audi's BMw's Volvos and new Jag F pace?
IMO the modern SUV is sad waste of the wheel base Which cant be far off say a Renault Trafic tour van with a hatch that are popular on the continent with outdoor/beach types, extreme sports, motrcycle racers etc
popeyewhite said:
Hungrymc said:
Yes, I've sat in many from all generations. Hence why I introduced the point. Range Rovers were developed to start bringing car like attributes into 4x4s were they not?
No they were not. They were designed to be a step up from the Defender. The first gen were designed so the interior could be washed down with a hose. They had no carpets, power steering or air con. Maybe you didn't sit in the first gen?popeyewhite said:
Because they know people really want cars and SUVs are a fad that in the near future will just be normal cars anyway but with SUV like names to fool the gullible. Most SUVs don't even fill the conditions of being sporty or providing utility. but while mugs will fork out for them the bland boxes will keep being churned out. Really an SUV is a jack of all trades and master of none, but if that floats your boat and you don't mind people taking the mickey... .
I really do question whether you make up most of the horsesEdited by popeyewhite on Thursday 22 June 23:43
t you type or actually research anything. Global trends are showing the car market is dying on its arse and SUV's are massively growing - they are already the largest segment and growing at double digit. OEM's are designing product ranges in line with market demand - which is absolutely not the point you state above.http://blog.euromonitor.com/2016/09/suvs-become-la...
http://www.jato.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/JAT...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/crosso...
http://www.jato.com/global-car-sales-5-6-2016-due-...
Hungrymc said:
My response to you was hugely coloured by your "spaz" comment.
Did you mean to quote my post before your Narcissist comment as that sets a context? I have been stating that people will have various reasons for buying various cars and SUVs. It seems there is a group that hold their view on what makes an acceptable car and what motivates other people to pick a car as some sort of universal truth, so yes there are posts on here that seem to believe the world revolves around them.
I didn't say narcissist haven't cottoned on to the bad image. I did say that any car enthusiast who has an SUV will certainly be aware of the negative image. I'm also not reading people with SUVs saying they are the dogs bks, I'm reading people talking about the different strengths and weakness and explaining why they made their choice.
I might be interested in an SUV if you could spec me one that could take a couple of small motocrossers 80-125cc in the back. Did you mean to quote my post before your Narcissist comment as that sets a context? I have been stating that people will have various reasons for buying various cars and SUVs. It seems there is a group that hold their view on what makes an acceptable car and what motivates other people to pick a car as some sort of universal truth, so yes there are posts on here that seem to believe the world revolves around them.
I didn't say narcissist haven't cottoned on to the bad image. I did say that any car enthusiast who has an SUV will certainly be aware of the negative image. I'm also not reading people with SUVs saying they are the dogs b
ks, I'm reading people talking about the different strengths and weakness and explaining why they made their choice.As I said above, the wheel base on some of the newer SUVs does look like a sad waste, it doesnt look far off a VW transporter, Traffic Vivaro etc that are popular on the continent with outdoor type of people far more so than SUVs, beach sports, Kart circuits, families doing long trips to the alps etc, theyre very common from the Netherlands right down to Switzerland. Continental Europeans appear to me vastly less badge snobby and image concious than the UK and less self centered. (not having a go at anyone) you see way more of the practical cars over there, the high roof Golfs, Renault Modus etc as well as the big Vans mentioned above. In the UK I notice a far higher percentage of flagship and sports versions of a range. Maybe the sales figurs disprove that but I do know UK is one of (2nd?) biggest importer of German cars.
Pintofbest said:
I really do question whether you make up most of the horsest you type or actually research anything. Global trends are showing the car market is dying on its arse and SUV's are massively growing - they are already the largest segment and growing at double digit. OEM's are designing product ranges in line with market demand - which is absolutely not the point you state above.
http://blog.euromonitor.com/2016/09/suvs-become-la...
http://www.jato.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/JAT...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/crosso...
http://www.jato.com/global-car-sales-5-6-2016-due-...
Not looking at your links but holy st you type or actually research anything. Global trends are showing the car market is dying on its arse and SUV's are massively growing - they are already the largest segment and growing at double digit. OEM's are designing product ranges in line with market demand - which is absolutely not the point you state above.http://blog.euromonitor.com/2016/09/suvs-become-la...
http://www.jato.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/JAT...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/crosso...
http://www.jato.com/global-car-sales-5-6-2016-due-...
t, passnger/ tour vans are also growing 
European sales figures of the VW multivan over the years 5,000 in 1997 and near 86,000 in 2016
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/vo...
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/la...
Renault Trafic passenger
700 in 2000 16,000 in 2016
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/re...
Opel Vivaro Tour Van
12 in 2000 12,300 in 2016
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/op...
This reflects what I see on mainland Europe a couple of times per month. These type of vans are hugely popular with outdoor family types, vaslty more practical than SUVs if not as comfortable around town doing the errands. Enough ground clearance not to get in trouble parking in the rough stuff, but obviously not for off road fans
Edited by oilspill on Friday 23 June 12:39
Edited by oilspill on Friday 23 June 12:42
Battle of 4x4s here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4628570/Sc...
oilspill said:
popeyewhite said:
No they were not. They were designed to be a step up from the Defender. The first gen were designed so the interior could be washed down with a hose. They had no carpets, power steering or air con. Maybe you didn't sit in the first gen?
An old friend of mine used to pick up motorcycles in one of the first Range Rovers. he needed to remove the front end but they went in ok.This doesnt appear possible in the newer ever trndier models? or the Audi's BMw's Volvos and new Jag F pace?
IMO the modern SUV is sad waste of the wheel base Which cant be far off say a Renault Trafic tour van with a hatch that are popular on the continent with outdoor/beach types, extreme sports, motrcycle racers etc
Not quite sure how it can be a waste of a wheelbase when it can potentially carry more than vehicles of an equivalent footprint.
Hungrymc said:
popeyewhite said:
Hungrymc said:
Yes, I've sat in many from all generations. Hence why I introduced the point. Range Rovers were developed to start bringing car like attributes into 4x4s were they not?
No they were not. They were designed to be a step up from the Defender. The first gen were designed so the interior could be washed down with a hose. They had no carpets, power steering or air con. Maybe you didn't sit in the first gen?popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Jack of all Trades implies competent at everything but with being great at anything.
No it doesn't. This is basic English! jack of all trades (but master of none)
1. a person who can do many different types of work but who is not necessarily very competent at any of them.
It was originally intended as a compliment and dates from the 14th Century.
Other definitions for you:
A jack of all trades is a master of none.
This saying got cut short as well and originally said A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one. Unlike what our version would lead you to believe, having multiple interests but not being an expert in anything could actually prove advantageous.
Definition of jack–of–all–trades
: a person who can do competent work at various tasks : a handy versatile person.
TOP DEFINITION
Jack of all Trades
A Jack of all Trades is someone who is decent at everything, but not especially adept at any one thing.
Learner's definition of JACK–OF–ALL–TRADES
: a person who has many skills : a person who can do many different jobs
◊ If you are a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, you can do many things but are not an expert in any of them.
Anyway, back to SUVs
Have to say, having dealt with an organisation full of experts in one particular subject it was a nightmare. You would ask a question of an individual, they would know the ins and outs and every angle. You could then ask them a closely related question on a subject where it is reasonable to expect that if they understood the intricacies of A they should know something about B. Rather than saying ah you need to speak to Smith about that they would try to help and answer your question. Only apparent later that whilst they knew chapter and verse about A, they knew sweet fanny adams about B, or in reality knew enough to be dangerous. Jack of all trades can be ok, masters need to know when they are not masters.
oilspill said:
I might be interested in an SUV if you could spec me one that could take a couple of small motocrossers 80-125cc in the back.
As I said above, the wheel base on some of the newer SUVs does look like a sad waste, it doesnt look far off a VW transporter, Traffic Vivaro etc that are popular on the continent with outdoor type of people far more so than SUVs, beach sports, Kart circuits, families doing long trips to the alps etc, theyre very common from the Netherlands right down to Switzerland. Continental Europeans appear to me vastly less badge snobby and image concious than the UK and less self centered. (not having a go at anyone) you see way more of the practical cars over there, the high roof Golfs, Renault Modus etc as well as the big Vans mentioned above. In the UK I notice a far higher percentage of flagship and sports versions of a range. Maybe the sales figurs disprove that but I do know UK is one of (2nd?) biggest importer of German cars.
Fully agree with the first part of your post. A VW transporter or a transit is are a great choice if you really want the extra space and flexibility. They're the right answer for carrying a motorbike ( a better option than a car and a trailer in my eyes ). As I said above, the wheel base on some of the newer SUVs does look like a sad waste, it doesnt look far off a VW transporter, Traffic Vivaro etc that are popular on the continent with outdoor type of people far more so than SUVs, beach sports, Kart circuits, families doing long trips to the alps etc, theyre very common from the Netherlands right down to Switzerland. Continental Europeans appear to me vastly less badge snobby and image concious than the UK and less self centered. (not having a go at anyone) you see way more of the practical cars over there, the high roof Golfs, Renault Modus etc as well as the big Vans mentioned above. In the UK I notice a far higher percentage of flagship and sports versions of a range. Maybe the sales figurs disprove that but I do know UK is one of (2nd?) biggest importer of German cars.
The second part about national trends prefernaces is pretty complex. One trend you notice is a pretty strong loyalty to local brands (partially local manufacturer but I think people are beginning to lose track of what is made where). I wonder if that is part of Land Rover popularity in the UK?
I'm honestly not sure if the Europeans are less brand conscious, and it's tricky to separate it from the local brand / manufacturer consideration. Is it a trend that more rural you go and the further from industrial or business areas the more simple and lower cost cars you see? I think so but am not sure.
Ares said:
As an English Master, it is actually a Colloquialism, not basic English. Small point though.
It was originally intended as a compliment and dates from the 14th Century.
It's usage is now derogatory, and 'colloquialism' should be spelled with a small 'c'. It was originally intended as a compliment and dates from the 14th Century.
English master my pimply derriere!
popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
As an English Master, it is actually a Colloquialism, not basic English. Small point though.
It was originally intended as a compliment and dates from the 14th Century.
It's usage is now derogatory, and 'colloquialism' should be spelled with a small 'c'. It was originally intended as a compliment and dates from the 14th Century.
English master my pimply derriere!
Notwithstanding, majority of definitions still support the theory that it means capable at al things, broad cross section of skills, just not being an expert at anything. Which still describes majority of the best family cars.
Ares said:
...because you've decreed it has become derogatory? Why, in that case, do some refer to themselves as Jack of all trades?
Notwithstanding, majority of definitions still support the theory that it means capable at al things, broad cross section of skills, just not being an expert at anything. Which still describes majority of the best family cars.
That's a compliment IMO Notwithstanding, majority of definitions still support the theory that it means capable at al things, broad cross section of skills, just not being an expert at anything. Which still describes majority of the best family cars.
A car that is an expert at something is only going to be good enough as second car surely.
Ares said:
.because you've decreed it has become derogatory? Why, in that case, do some refer to themselves as Jack of all trades?
For the same reason you tell us you're a 'master' of some kind. Anyway, here's a link to explain it to you http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/jack-of-all-tra...
Ares said:
Notwithstanding, majority of definitions still support the theory that it means capable at al things,
No, honestly come on now you're just making stuff up. Have some self-respect for God's sake. Oh and again poor spelling for an English master. Clearly something else you made up.Ares said:
...broad cross section of skills, just not being an expert at anything. Which still describes majority of the best family cars.
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