RE: Honda Civic Type R (FK8): Driven
Discussion
ukaskew said:
Saw one of these parked near my house in Wiltshire yesterday, oh my.
Cars often look better in the metal but even my wife said something along the lines of 'what the hell is that and why are there bits sticking out everywhere'.
Even as somebody who has previously owned such beauties as the Suzuki Ignis Sport I'm really, really struggling to look past the looks.
There will be a million aftermarket bumpers for this car by the tuning houses. Someone will makes something that helps it look a bit more cohesive at least. Cars often look better in the metal but even my wife said something along the lines of 'what the hell is that and why are there bits sticking out everywhere'.
Even as somebody who has previously owned such beauties as the Suzuki Ignis Sport I'm really, really struggling to look past the looks.
This car is a huge hit in the US already (the non-Type R) so the aftermarket is already blowing up.
Ultrafunkula said:
Derek Chevalier said:
They can quote all they want - it struggled to break 150 in the real world.
Really, Can I see your source? I wasn't aware of that. Good to hear some positive feedback regarding the new (old) independent rear suspension, I believe they went for a beam setup in the FN model for packaging reasons, Glad they've broke that trend now. Would be nice if they optioned it some more focused tyres. Just to re-introduce those double front wishbones from the 90's next and focus on the steering feel or lack of.
Positive step forward.
Positive step forward.
Ahbefive said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Derek Chevalier said:
They can quote all they want - it struggled to break 150 in the real world.
Really, Can I see your source? I wasn't aware of that. Nevermind the mk2 RS - the FK2 I drove was noticeably more urgent in-gear than the mk3 RS I tried. 200kg goes a long way...
For me it's no uglier than the Focus, various Scoobies, Evo's, etc. They're all just a similar breed, built for purpose. It should be celebrated, not derided. Thank God that manufacturers are still churning out designs which are challenging, do we really need another Golf clone?
It sounds like they've made some progress with the updates, can't wait to take a test drive.
It sounds like they've made some progress with the updates, can't wait to take a test drive.
mp3manager said:
Secondly, +R mode was not too stiff and anybody who complains about it is a big jessie.
And finally, if you found the seat height to be too high, then you're obviously a freak.
I run an FD2 and I thought +R mode on the FK2 was too stiff. The car lost composure too easily down broken B-roads...And finally, if you found the seat height to be too high, then you're obviously a freak.
(There's not a lot out there this side of a track-rat that's stiffer than an FD2, btw...)
Seating position - depends on what you're comparing it too - again, vs the FD2, the FK2 was clearly higher...
...but my bigger bug-bear is the increasingly tall-sides (and small glasshouses) to modern cars - whatever happened to good all-round visibility?!?
As for the new car...sounds rather like a bout of 'plus ca change...' - too fussy (ugly?) styling, inability to mix-and-match the (unfortunately compulsory) driving modes, too much technology for technology's sake*, too much focus on grip and pace rather than fun...
* The steering!?! Come on Honda, every performance Honda built in Japan (partial-exceptions for S2000 and PAS'd NSX) has had really good steering. Every one built in Swindon has been disappointing...
Edited by havoc on Tuesday 13th June 12:43
Onehp said:
Ed Straker said:
I love Honda, I really do.
And I like this.
But "perhaps the best hot hatch on sale??"
It wouldn't see which way an A45 went.
There comes a point when FWD and xxx bhp become incompatible - circa 300 I'd say.
Best is not the same as fastest in a straight line. On a dry track, the A45 is left behind as it will be approx 200kg more irl. And fwd can take more as long as the driver knows when and when bot to deploy it. Bit like a very powerful rwd or bike... And I like this.
But "perhaps the best hot hatch on sale??"
It wouldn't see which way an A45 went.
There comes a point when FWD and xxx bhp become incompatible - circa 300 I'd say.
Straight line? what are you talking about?!
It's devastating on a B road, and in all weather too.
[quote=yonexThank God that manufacturers are still churning out designs which are challenging, do we really need another Golf clone?
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But at least the Golf sells. On the basis of the last Type R, the styling is just too extreme for commercial success in the UK.
Maybe Honda weren't aiming for that, which as a commercial organisation is somewhat strange.
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But at least the Golf sells. On the basis of the last Type R, the styling is just too extreme for commercial success in the UK.
Maybe Honda weren't aiming for that, which as a commercial organisation is somewhat strange.
GTEYE said:
But at least the Golf sells. On the basis of the last Type R, the styling is just too extreme for commercial success in the UK.
Maybe Honda weren't aiming for that, which as a commercial organisation is somewhat strange.
I'm sure they will have done their sums, my point is/was everyone moans about bland cars, then they moan about 'striking' cars. Ultimately down a winding road one will pretty much match the other if the driver is comparable. Isn't it enough to have a choice in an increasing emissions driven market?Maybe Honda weren't aiming for that, which as a commercial organisation is somewhat strange.
Ed Straker said:
Have you driven an A45?
Straight line? what are you talking about?!
It's devastating on a B road, and in all weather too.
Not much in it with the old FK2, though IIRC that 'ring lap was set on something like Cup 2s while the A45 is on more of a road tyre:Straight line? what are you talking about?!
It's devastating on a B road, and in all weather too.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/jcv4f80fkplv
Type R A45 AMG
Tsukuba 1:06.48 1:06.32
Magny-Cours Club 1:25.70 1:25.62
Nürburgring 7:50.00 8:04.00
Hockenheim Short 1:15.70 1:13.50
Presumably the FK8 will be a bit faster still, but the A45 is hardly getting left miles behind.
macky17 said:
Ahbefive said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Derek Chevalier said:
They can quote all they want - it struggled to break 150 in the real world.
Really, Can I see your source? I wasn't aware of that. Nevermind the mk2 RS - the FK2 I drove was noticeably more urgent in-gear than the mk3 RS I tried. 200kg goes a long way...
Also, I've never heard of the mk2 RS dynoing low with any regularity, at least not via STOC. I'd just like to see an article showing this fact, I think. I don't doubt the Civic incidently, I've seen the articles.
Ultrafunkula said:
I still need to see some proof I think. Given how tunable my own ST was, and that the lump in the RS is an improved version, top end was certainly something it didn't lack.
Also, I've never heard of the mk2 RS dynoing low with any regularity, at least not via STOC. I'd just like to see an article showing this fact, I think. I don't doubt the Civic incidently, I've seen the articles.
http://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/10480/ford-focus-st-mountune-and-focus-rsAlso, I've never heard of the mk2 RS dynoing low with any regularity, at least not via STOC. I'd just like to see an article showing this fact, I think. I don't doubt the Civic incidently, I've seen the articles.
"What unfolds at Bruntingthorpe is, to put it mildly, interesting. The bottom line is this – in a straight line at least, the Mountune ST is quicker (than the RS). There are a couple of places where the extra top-end power of the RS makes itself felt – 100-120mph in fifth, for instance, where 6.7sec plays 7.4sec – but just about everywhere else the ST has it, and in some cases by an embarrassing margin."
jonosterman said:
http://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/10480/ford-focu...
"What unfolds at Bruntingthorpe is, to put it mildly, interesting. The bottom line is this – in a straight line at least, the Mountune ST is quicker (than the RS). There are a couple of places where the extra top-end power of the RS makes itself felt – 100-120mph in fifth, for instance, where 6.7sec plays 7.4sec – but just about everywhere else the ST has it, and in some cases by an embarrassing margin."
Thanks, that article is what drove me to mod mine "What unfolds at Bruntingthorpe is, to put it mildly, interesting. The bottom line is this – in a straight line at least, the Mountune ST is quicker (than the RS). There are a couple of places where the extra top-end power of the RS makes itself felt – 100-120mph in fifth, for instance, where 6.7sec plays 7.4sec – but just about everywhere else the ST has it, and in some cases by an embarrassing margin."
I meant proof about the not reaching 150mph tops thoughUltrafunkula said:
Thanks, that article is what drove me to mod mine I meant proof about the not reaching 150mph tops though
Not sure I can remember anything about the top speed claim but I seem to recall a number of reviews that claimed the RS wasn't really as powerful (as standard) as claimed and with the drag from the extra aero I could believe that the top speed wasn't great either. I meant proof about the not reaching 150mph tops thoughFunnily enough it was that article that put me off swapping my ST for an RS and sent me down the modding route
Ahbefive said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Derek Chevalier said:
They can quote all they want - it struggled to break 150 in the real world.
Really, Can I see your source? I wasn't aware of that. I remember Autocar getting around 146 on the Millbrook bowl which I thought was surprising, but this was backed up when I was at Bruntingthorpe a few years ago when the RS there did mid 140s. If you calculate the theoretical top speed based on CdA etc, it won't do 163.
jonosterman said:
Not sure I can remember anything about the top speed claim but I seem to recall a number of reviews that claimed the RS wasn't really as powerful (as standard) as claimed and with the drag from the extra aero I could believe that the top speed wasn't great either.
Funnily enough it was that article that put me off swapping my ST for an RS and sent me down the modding route
It's truly a great engine Funnily enough it was that article that put me off swapping my ST for an RS and sent me down the modding route
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