BMW M2 Accident
Discussion
Granfondo said:
culpz said:
Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.
They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.
I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.
They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.
I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.
This thread is about one who could!
Oh and have another
for "I'd wager" next it will be pistols at dawn and throwing down the gauntlet. 
Do you know him, by any chance? How's he doing, btw? How old is he? What does he do for a living? What's his salary? Is it his car? How much does he pay a month for it? How much does he pay for insurance?
Yeah, that's what i thought
culpz said:
Granfondo said:
culpz said:
Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.
They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.
I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.
They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.
I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.
This thread is about one who could!
Oh and have another
for "I'd wager" next it will be pistols at dawn and throwing down the gauntlet. Do you know him, by any chance? How's he doing, btw? How old is he? What does he do for a living? What's his salary? Is it his car? How much does he pay a month for it? How much does he pay for insurance?
Yeah, that's what i thought
Zetec-S said:
Yes, plenty. More than 10, less than 100,000.
You do know that not everyone under the age of 25 works in McDonalds?
You do know that not everyone under the age of 25 works in McDonalds?
Integroo said:
As I said, on 25k a year you could afford it, on 35k it would be easy peasy, if you didn't have rent and bills, and if you're a graduate you'll be on 30k+ at 25 even in the regions.
All of my friends could afford it. (Again with the caveat of no rent, bills or saving aspirations).
In London you can be 25 and earning 100k+ so could afford it even with rent and bills.
Chaps, lets just agree to disagree, yeah?All of my friends could afford it. (Again with the caveat of no rent, bills or saving aspirations).
In London you can be 25 and earning 100k+ so could afford it even with rent and bills.
I understand the want/need on here to disagree with almost everything on here, regardless of how obvious the point being made may be.
I also understand that there's usually an exception to the rule, but i don't think we have to go that in depth to explain exactly what we're trying to say.
It's a small number/percentage/fraction, whatever. That's all we're saying.
daemon said:
All in all its a fairly tenuous link to be trying to tie these two M2 crashes to PCP deals when we dont know even if the cars were on finance.
Just people stirring the pot as usual with their unhealthy obsession as to how other people drive what they drive.
It must be a double whammy for them - younger than them AND driving a car they "dont deserve" because it might be on finance.
Edited by daemon on Friday 27th April 13:43
No one said they don’t desreve it. Simply tried to suggest that being able to get a 50k car with very little up front money, might explain why they drive them which with disregard that’s all.
No one said they don’t deserve them.
In early 2000s when I 18 no one had 200bhp plus cars until 25 as the insurance costs were either crazy or denied. I know I tried to get a cavalier Sri at 19-20 it was 3-4K a year. Also wasn’t common to have car finance under 25 then. That year I paid 1200 for a cavalier 1.8 gl 1992 in my name.
First car I had on finance and was an st170 at 24 and 3/4 and that was a used 3 year old one ŵith 3k done and 7k borrowed. Never spun or lost control of it.
surveyor_101 said:
daemon said:
All in all its a fairly tenuous link to be trying to tie these two M2 crashes to PCP deals when we dont know even if the cars were on finance.
Just people stirring the pot as usual with their unhealthy obsession as to how other people drive what they drive.
It must be a double whammy for them - younger than them AND driving a car they "dont deserve" because it might be on finance.
Edited by daemon on Friday 27th April 13:43
No one said they don’t desreve it. Simply tried to suggest that being able to get a 50k car with very little up front money, might explain why they drive them which with disregard that’s all.
No one said they don’t deserve them.
In early 2000s when I 18 no one had 200bhp plus cars until 25 as the insurance costs were either crazy or denied. I know I tried to get a cavalier Sri at 19-20 it was 3-4K a year. Also wasn’t common to have car finance under 25 then. That year I paid 1200 for a cavalier 1.8 gl 1992 in my name
You only have to read Granfondos posts - hes only on this thread to try to stir the finance pot again and derail yet another thread.
Granfondo said:
PCP / Performance Car Pricks!
Granfondo said:
People will be along shortly to tell you "if you can afford the monthlies you can afford the car" innit! 
Granfondo said:
"Young lads" have always showed off but the prevalence of cheap credit and more so PCP means these noobs are in far far more powerful cars than in the past and when it goes wrong it goes wrong very quickly!
Edited by daemon on Friday 27th April 16:33
surveyor_101 said:
BBenzzz said:
I'll attempt to redeem myself from my outburst.
Last I heard through the grapevine is that he's living his life as if it never happened, minus the girlfriend which rightly chucked him.
I think a few pages back there is indication that he now has an S3. Lets just hope he has learnt a lesson and won't put any more lives at risk.
Not his s3 a family members I asked him.Last I heard through the grapevine is that he's living his life as if it never happened, minus the girlfriend which rightly chucked him.
I think a few pages back there is indication that he now has an S3. Lets just hope he has learnt a lesson and won't put any more lives at risk.
His social media shows no car or driving related stuff other than him washing the Audi.
Police in Scotland don’t tend to suffer his type gladly.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 26th April 17:58
even have a licence still? He should be on a fking bus. Talentless ttdaemon said:
Zetec-S said:
Exactly. They could if they wanted. Just like anyone else who could afford something exotic but prioritises other things in life.
According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
I wouldnt be looking for a career as a statistical analyst if i were you According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
Granfondo said:
daemon said:
Zetec-S said:
Exactly. They could if they wanted. Just like anyone else who could afford something exotic but prioritises other things in life.
According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
I wouldnt be looking for a career as a statistical analyst if i were you According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
Much bigger fish to fry these days.
daemon said:
Granfondo said:
daemon said:
Zetec-S said:
Exactly. They could if they wanted. Just like anyone else who could afford something exotic but prioritises other things in life.
According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
I wouldnt be looking for a career as a statistical analyst if i were you According to "howmanyleft" there are were around 2000 M2's registered in the UK in 2017, so that's less than 0.003% of the population who owns one.
We know our Instagram hero "Cozza McSchnozza" or whatever his name is had one, and then the roundabout chap also has (had?) one, which suggests that at least 2/2000 (0.1%) of M2 owners are young'uns. I'm sure there's a few more, so perhaps ownership of M2's is skewed towards a younger generation?
Much bigger fish to fry these days.
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
G14CHP said:
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
cerb4.5lee said:
G14CHP said:
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
Granfondo said:
cerb4.5lee said:
G14CHP said:
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
G14CHP said:
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
cerb4.5lee said:
G14CHP said:
daemon said:
And just in case anyone did actually believe it was only young people couldnt handle powerful cars when showing off at roundabouts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Seen this before, can someone tell me what happened here please as I still have no idea how he was able to do that... I've only driven a couple of RWD cars and not at high speed (only on motorways).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNXFL9FtXQ
Edited by daemon on Saturday 28th April 18:19
Granfondo said:
Can happen to the best drivers, Grosjean dropped it warming his tyres behind safety car yesterday in F1.
That car must be a nightmare to drive as he seem pretty sensible to me, waiting till of the roundabout to open the taps in a fairly straight course.Wonder if he thought he was a driving god and turned of the stability control?
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