BMW M2 Accident
Discussion
TheLuke said:
Its amazing how many PH'ers want this lads head on a stick for a car accident.
You all need to get back down to earth.
i think you'll find it's rather bigger than that. You all need to get back down to earth.
Today, in the UK, we are increasingly struggling to 'enjoy' cars anymore. Incidents like this reflect on all of us 'car enthusiasts' whether you like it or not. It's yet more ammunition for the 'speed kills' lobby, and adds more weight to the anti-car mob.
If we drive responsibly we all get to enjoy our interest in cars, but it only takes a few irresponsible idiots to tar us all with the same brush........
I would imagine that the driver will receive a driving ban "which will result in having to resit his driving test" and a very large fine. Hopefully too the Judge/Sheriff will insist in a advanced driving course as well.
There has been people in this area sent to jail due to doing a similar accident but unfortunately their passengers were not so lucky and passed away. If this had happened then it would have been a jail term.
If the girlfriend who was in the car decided to stand by her boyfriend "which sounds very likely when reading the comments of her friend" then it may help him avoid a hard line stance.
Lastly to give the guy the benefit of the doubt you can never rule out an issue with the car. The area where the event takes place shares the same entrance with a Plant Hire Company so you never know if the car could have picked up a slow puncture.
Highly unlikely but you just never know.
There has been people in this area sent to jail due to doing a similar accident but unfortunately their passengers were not so lucky and passed away. If this had happened then it would have been a jail term.
If the girlfriend who was in the car decided to stand by her boyfriend "which sounds very likely when reading the comments of her friend" then it may help him avoid a hard line stance.
Lastly to give the guy the benefit of the doubt you can never rule out an issue with the car. The area where the event takes place shares the same entrance with a Plant Hire Company so you never know if the car could have picked up a slow puncture.
Highly unlikely but you just never know.
CanningTown said:
Dynamic Space Wizard said:
People like him normally have dashcams in their cars anyway, so that they can publish their antics on the Internet and impress their real and imaginary friends. The police will have taken that, and will be able to see exactly what he was up to before the crash 
Good point. He had one in the Lotus for the Ferrari overtake didn't he.carinaman said:
Thanks for posting that photo. It includes a T junction and a signpost for the junction. Junctions can be dangerous.
So he ragged it past the junction for the venue that the GT Cars meet was leaving and that junction despite having driven along it more than once?
As he posted footage of a Lotus overtaking a Ferrari did he have a dashcam or Go-Pro recording the driving from the car park of that event to his accident? I wonder if any in car footage would show his girlfriend going along with his driving or begging him to stop and being demanded to be let out of the car?
Could any in car recording footage in the lead up to that accident influence any insurance pay out she may get for her injuries?
The junction in the picture is where the car landed up after crashing a good 100 metres further up the road.So he ragged it past the junction for the venue that the GT Cars meet was leaving and that junction despite having driven along it more than once?
As he posted footage of a Lotus overtaking a Ferrari did he have a dashcam or Go-Pro recording the driving from the car park of that event to his accident? I wonder if any in car footage would show his girlfriend going along with his driving or begging him to stop and being demanded to be let out of the car?
Could any in car recording footage in the lead up to that accident influence any insurance pay out she may get for her injuries?
Yes he went past the GT event junction three times according to reports. Once travelling in the direction where he crashed and again back the other way before making his final pass before the accident. There is footage of him leaving the event in previous pages at the end of the video.
surveyor_101 said:
where is that
Her views before they were deletedJust wanting to put this out here. This is my best friend and her partner. No I don't appreciate what's happened and the last thing I was expecting on a Sunday night was a phone call to tell me my best friend has been in a serious car crash... but everyone needs to stop with the name calling!
Yes it was really really stupid what he done, but stop with the bhiness ???! The road conditions right now are near enough what it's like when there is black ice and obviously with him having a BMW and it being tail happy and going at this speed, sadly it was going to happy.
My heart broke when her mum phoned me and told me this, but everyone just needs to stop with the horrible comments and just leave them be to get better!! How would any off you's like it if you's were lying in hospital badly injured with how many people on social media bhing about you, just no need.
And then
I don't exactly no what happened as when I asked her on the phone she has no memory off what happened at all.. but from my dad being a fireman and knowing the road conditions better than anyone else, I'm just stating facts also. So no need to jump down my throat about it pal ????????
Finally
And prison won't be the outcome as I know people who have done a lot worse and literally just got a slap on the back off the hand and a 6 month ban
If it had been my friend in the passengers seat I very much doubt I would be trying to defend the drivers actions.
Soov330e said:
I am sorry but you are likely to be wrong.
I've seen the video, and serious injury has resulted. It is entirely possible he will receive a custodial sentence.
It all depends on the Judge/Sheriff but as you say it could get the book thrown at him to make an example.I've seen the video, and serious injury has resulted. It is entirely possible he will receive a custodial sentence.
6 month suspended jail term or community service perhaps.
Unfortunately what a Judge/Sheriff will do can be anyone's guess.
It is amazing how some people seem to get off when the next get the works.
singlecoil said:
Corporal punishment has been illegal for some time now, so I very much doubt you know anybody or of anybody who literally got a slap on the hand or anywhere else.
Figure of speech not an actual physical punishment.Slap on the wrist meaning basically getting off with a lenient punishment.
Dr Jekyll said:
I'd be amazed if he doesn't get months in jail.
There was a local lad who did but unfortunately his passenger was killed.As many have said it was a miracle no one died.
The important aspect of this car crash was the fact he endangered other peoples lives which could well land him in jail.
bockaaarck said:
This poster, from the m3cutters forum, appears to have encountered this young chap before. Making a comment regard his driving behaviour being questionable.
http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=178...
Quote: "I saw him that day make an overtaking move on a tight twisty outside Dingwall that in all my 27 years of driving sent a shiver down my spine....frightening. It is now no wonder that this has happened....."
If this is true "which seems likely" then I have no sympathy for his at all.http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=178...
Quote: "I saw him that day make an overtaking move on a tight twisty outside Dingwall that in all my 27 years of driving sent a shiver down my spine....frightening. It is now no wonder that this has happened....."
Edited by bockaaarck on Friday 16th June 14:49
daemon said:
The difference could be between pleading guity and pleading not guilty but being found guilty.
A lot will depend on how the driver approaches it. Show remorse, plead guilty and it could be reasonable. Defend it and be found guilty, then you're in to the heavier end of the sentencing options.
I would have thought there would be more to be achieved in terms of reduced sentencing outcome by pleading guilty than fighting it and trying to defend the particular nuances of his actions.
Yes very good point A lot will depend on how the driver approaches it. Show remorse, plead guilty and it could be reasonable. Defend it and be found guilty, then you're in to the heavier end of the sentencing options.
I would have thought there would be more to be achieved in terms of reduced sentencing outcome by pleading guilty than fighting it and trying to defend the particular nuances of his actions.
Certain things are irrelevant, such as being concerned with how he could afford that car or that his age prevents him from having the experience or ability to control the car.
Age is only relevant in so much as typically, the younger the driver the less tuned in to risk they are. Attitude to road driving is the clincher, not age or affordability.
If I had to guess at the end result of this case, I'd say he's looking at 12-24 month prison sentence, perhaps suspended, and 2-3 year driving ban (12 month minimum is mandatory with DD and 24 months for DD with serious injury). The drive-pasts and associated footage, internet history/comments and witness statements are going to hang him.
Age is only relevant in so much as typically, the younger the driver the less tuned in to risk they are. Attitude to road driving is the clincher, not age or affordability.
If I had to guess at the end result of this case, I'd say he's looking at 12-24 month prison sentence, perhaps suspended, and 2-3 year driving ban (12 month minimum is mandatory with DD and 24 months for DD with serious injury). The drive-pasts and associated footage, internet history/comments and witness statements are going to hang him.
Evolved said:
It seems PH is now the breeding ground of first class brain dead morons reading some of the replies. I do wonder how the majority that post go about daily life based on their comments.
Attempted murder?
Hope he doesn't recover?
It's his dad's fault?
The car is the factor?
BMW isn't a brand to be associated with due to this?
Just a few examples of the utter crap that gets posted on this forum. The people posting the above need to take a step back, away from the keyboard and actually engage their brain.
With regard the crash, I hope both pull through without any long term damage and are able to move on. He will be looking at some heavy time given it's all recorded, he will regret that for the rest of his life.
Exactly. Attempted murder?
Hope he doesn't recover?
It's his dad's fault?
The car is the factor?
BMW isn't a brand to be associated with due to this?
Just a few examples of the utter crap that gets posted on this forum. The people posting the above need to take a step back, away from the keyboard and actually engage their brain.
With regard the crash, I hope both pull through without any long term damage and are able to move on. He will be looking at some heavy time given it's all recorded, he will regret that for the rest of his life.
BlueHave said:
So all those statistics that show there are more crashes caused by young and inexperienced drivers must be b
ks then.
Not at all. The difference is younger people are typically less cautious. This means they're more likely to be on or around the limits and less concerned with safety and consequences more often than older people.ks then.In other words, its attitude rather than ability.
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