BMW M2 Accident

[CoolHands]

Sympathy = < 0

[Birdster]

Seems he had acces to an Aston courtesy car and some other nice vehicles.

Either plenty of money, or connections in the car world?

I suspect the organisers will find trouble Fourier ahead with future events. Regardless of responsibility I hope both fully recover.

[shake n bake]

Thermobaric said:

Driving cheap crap when you're younger and having some 'hairy moments' teaches you to respect the car's capabilities and the possible consequences. He has clearly missed this vital step.

I completely agree with this, you learn a lot pushing slower stuff beyond its natural limits and learn where you're own limits are at the same time.
I Hope they both recover ok and the lad is forever grateful he didn't kill his girl.

Just an edit to say come on chaps, the guy might be a bellend or a saint for all we know but some of the stuff written here you should make you ashamed to be a member here.
I drove like a tt at times when I was younger and most if not all of the people here would have done the same.

Edited by shake n bake on Monday 12th June 19:51

[f1nn]

Well, it's all fun and games until it goes wrong unfortunately.

There are some terrible comments in this thread. Regardless of the events leading up to the crash, there are two young people, someone's children, hospitalised and likely in a serious condition.

[anonymous-user]

CoolHands said:

Sympathy = < 0

He might have driven like an idiot, but no sympathy sounds a bit harsh, particularly when we don't know the circumstances. For all we know the high speed might have coincided with some local wildlife, a mechanical failure or even a medical episode.

If it was just the driving then he's got the injuries to his girlfriend, himself and a possible prison sentence to deal with- each a salutary lesson in its own right.

[anonymous-user]

Footage of the cars leaving the meeting.

The last car in the clip is the hero leaving in his M2 heading in the direction he crashes with the back stepping out slightly.

Again this means he had to come back the same road and they did his final pass which was the accident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAg_jPFPkzo

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th June 20:03

[hondansx]

f1nn said:

Well, it's all fun and games until it goes wrong unfortunately.

There are some terrible comments in this thread. Regardless of the events leading up to the crash, there are two young people, someone's children, hospitalised and likely in a serious condition.

Agreed, harsh.

Not saying it's OK, but we all drive idiots when we were younger. I drove my 1.2 Clio around like an utter idiot. It's not like i i restricted myself to 75bhp, it was simply all i could afford to insure. By 18 I considered myself a driving God, and everyone else an idiot.

Hopefully the fact they build modern cars so much safer, both will be OK.

[manracer]

Whilst i agree his speed was inappropriate, however from viewing the video i don't think his speed is that dramatic, maybe 85mph.

I know when i was younger i did worse as I'm sure some of the people who read this comment probably did whether they choose to remember or not. I look back now and realise how lucky i was on a number of occasions. I owned a e36 m3 at 21. I was an moron at that age with that car when i first got it, sure I'm not the only one who can say they did similar.

I'm sure he will regret it massively, that's an understatement.

I hope they both survive, and i hope he gets a ban, for his own good. He will learn the hard way hopefully.

The speculation and righteousness on this forum makes me sad at times.

[Blaster72]

I hope they both recover without serious long lasting injuries. I also hope the driver learns from this and doesn't keep arsing about until he kills someone.

He's hardly alone though in being a young lad with a fast car driving far too fast.

[Jonnny]

CanningTown said:

Jonnny said:

CanningTown said:

Jonnny said:

I'd be charging Daddy for the fire service time too.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Clearly not driving to the conditions/far too fast.. why should we pay for his idiot behaviour?

And it's his dads fault?

Either he has a very impressive job, with those cars.. Aston, Exige, M2.. Or he's born into money.

[ruggedscotty]

For this to be a forum dedicated to cars and petrolheads I have to say that the nature and tone of some of the comments here have been sadly a bit below par, maybe we need to change the group to mumsnet with the comments....

Yes the driver was a bit of a knob, its part of the script with these sort of things a little over confident with the performance but then again how many of us here haven't ? how many of us here have misbehaved. This guys luck ran out. It could have been wildlife, mechanical failure, a medical episode or just sheer bad luck and a lack of experience

cast the first stone and all that. this guy has to live with it, what ever injuries he has sustained and what injuries his girlfriend has as a result.

[mudster]

janesmith1950 said:

CoolHands said:

Sympathy = < 0

He might have driven like an idiot, but no sympathy sounds a bit harsh, particularly when we don't know the circumstances. For all we know the high speed might have coincided with some local wildlife, a mechanical failure or even a medical episode.

If it was just the driving then he's got the injuries to his girlfriend, himself and a possible prison sentence to deal with- each a salutary lesson in its own right.

I genuinely wish them both a good recovery, but I hope he doesn't rationalise it as a mechanical failure. Even if something did fail (or an errant badger stepped out), what would be the consequences if he was doing a 1/3 of the speed?

To be honest, I do think he needs a spell of public transport once he is fit.

Wish them both well.

[sonnenschein3000]

ruggedscotty said:

For this to be a forum dedicated to cars and petrolheads I have to say that the nature and tone of some of the comments here have been sadly a bit below par, maybe we need to change the group to mumsnet with the comments....

Yes the driver was a bit of a knob, its part of the script with these sort of things a little over confident with the performance but then again how many of us here haven't ? how many of us here have misbehaved. This guys luck ran out. It could have been wildlife, mechanical failure, a medical episode or just sheer bad luck and a lack of experience

cast the first stone and all that. this guy has to live with it, what ever injuries he has sustained and what injuries his girlfriend has as a result.

Well its amazing how people who, most probably in their youth have had their fair share of near misses followed by a nervous laugh, suddenly take the moral high ground now...

Although the driver of the M2 was going above the upper limit of what a Ph'er would call "enthusiastic" or "spirited", my personal opinion is that he's not far above it. The main problem with his driving was that there were lots of people around, and he didnt adjust his driving for it.

I will be interested to know what speed the crash investigators deem him to be going. I suspect that the sound of his engine grossly over-emphasises his actual speed. Had he not crashed, and if there weren't people around, I suspect he would probably still be in 3pts/£100 terratory as a fixed penalty (assuming its a 60 road).

I'm not an expert, but that's my opinion. I will be interested to know of the expert opinion once it comes out.

[mac96]

To those who are saying' we all did something similar while young'- well yes, a scary moment on an unexpectedly sharp bend is one thing, but to be going that fast at a spot where you know there are lots of people on the verges and a series of cars emerging from a meet, is another altogether.

Nevertheless I don't think that means no sympathy at all- he didn't set out to hurt anyone- he's an idiot and his punishment is no doubt on the way.

And of course accidents like this, although they have nothing whatsoever to do with speed limits, are just fodder for the 40/50mph brigade. As are all the 'leaving a meet' videos, even without accidents.

[Loyly]

What a bellend. Time and a place, and that wasn't it.

[TheTwitcher]

His actual speed and the speed limit are both red herrings. The key is that his speed was inappropriate for the circumstances and conditions.

Yes, we've all got away with stuff; most of the time you do. This is what happens when you don't and the consequences can be lifelong.

[sonnenschein3000]

TheTwitcher said:

The key is that his speed was inappropriate for the circumstances and conditions.

Ok, fine, I shall agree on this. Given that there were lots of people there.

[The Wookie]

I had a 400bhp Evo 9 when I was 24 and was killed several times. Then I had a 997 and was killed even more.

He's not a child, whether anyone should be driving high performance cars on a basic license with no further training is the question we should ask

[mudster]

sonnenschein3000 said:

I will be interested to know what speed the crash investigators deem him to be going. I suspect that the sound of his engine grossly over-emphasises his actual speed. Had he not crashed, and if there weren't people around, I suspect he would probably still be in 3pts/£100 terratory as a fixed penalty (assuming its a 60 road).

I'm not an expert, but that's my opinion. I will be interested to know of the expert opinion once it comes out.

I played it without sound and I estimated around 100mph. If right, it would be well above 3 points territory, although just my opinion.

Let's see what any accident investigation comes up with.

[CanningTown]

Jonnny said:

CanningTown said:

Jonnny said:

CanningTown said:

Jonnny said:

I'd be charging Daddy for the fire service time too.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Clearly not driving to the conditions/far too fast.. why should we pay for his idiot behaviour?

And it's his dads fault?

Either he has a very impressive job, with those cars.. Aston, Exige, M2.. Or he's born into money.

And...?

Money = Liability in your world does it?