BMW M2 Accident
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Well anyone that knows me will tell you I have done some stupid things that I have had to live with for the last 30 years so I'm not joining a baying mob with my pitchfork.
What I will say is that I can't believe that he had already left the show and turned right so knew that people were standing on either side of the road watching the cars leave, yet it appears that he has turned around and decided to have a "fly by".
Its never a good idea to think "I'll show them" or say to someone "watch this" especially with so many people videoing the cars.
Cock waving at its worst.
My sympathies too the Driver, passenger and their families.
What I will say is that I can't believe that he had already left the show and turned right so knew that people were standing on either side of the road watching the cars leave, yet it appears that he has turned around and decided to have a "fly by".
Its never a good idea to think "I'll show them" or say to someone "watch this" especially with so many people videoing the cars.
Cock waving at its worst.
My sympathies too the Driver, passenger and their families.
The Wookie said:
I had a 400bhp Evo 9 when I was 24 and was killed several times. Then I had a 997 and was killed even more.
He's not a child, whether anyone should be driving high performance cars on a basic license with no further training is the question we should ask
The question is what sort of training (yup, can of worms alert)?He's not a child, whether anyone should be driving high performance cars on a basic license with no further training is the question we should ask
I'd put forward that RegLocal, attitude training would incredibly useful to young lads like the subject of the OP. The risk in car handling sessions is that they can breed false confidence in ability being able to overcome scenario (not to diminish the value of knowing how to handle a car).
janesmith1950 said:
The risk in car handling sessions is that they can breed false confidence in ability being able to overcome scenario (not to diminish the value of knowing how to handle a car).
OT but I'm always surprised by the 'I'll take it on a limit testing session so I know what it'll do on the road' statements by some blokes when they buy new cars. I wonder how many, if any, have ever taken proper training on the system, bend assessment and observation, which is far more useful. Biker's Nemesis said:
Well anyone that knows me will tell you I have done some stupid things that I have had to live with for the last 30 years so I'm not joining a baying mob with my pitchfork.
What I will say is that I can't believe that he had already left the show and turned right so knew that people were standing on either side of the road watching the cars leave, yet it appears that he has turned around and decided to have a "fly by".
Its never a good idea to think "I'll show them" or say to someone "watch this" especially with so many people videoing the cars.
Cock waving at its worst.
My sympathies too the Driver, passenger and their families.
Unfortunately he decided to do two fly by's after leaving the meeting.What I will say is that I can't believe that he had already left the show and turned right so knew that people were standing on either side of the road watching the cars leave, yet it appears that he has turned around and decided to have a "fly by".
Its never a good idea to think "I'll show them" or say to someone "watch this" especially with so many people videoing the cars.
Cock waving at its worst.
My sympathies too the Driver, passenger and their families.
The accident was in the same direction he leaves the meeting so he turned and went past only to turn and do another which resulted in the accident.
Hopefully both the driver and his girlfriend make it. It was the poor girlfriend who had to be cut out. Seems to be the way in these things
ruggedscotty said:
This guys luck ran out. It could have been wildlife, mechanical failure, a medical episode or just sheer bad luck and a lack of experience
It was his third time going through that section of road knowing full well that other cars were leaving from the side junction and that there were many pedestrians there.As regards speed I have downloaded the video and while not the best quality I have looked at the time lapse from passing the shadow infront of the marshal until off frame.
I've used two methods 1) using google maps to measure rough distance and used the 0.36sec and 2) using multiple lengths of the M2 as it passes through shot at roughly 4.5m each car length
Both methods actually come up with the same speed of nearly 125mph. Even if I really give it the benefit of doubt I struggle to get the estimated speed below 100mph.
My guess would be he was doing in excess of 100mph and possibly nearer to 125mph.
While I'm not an expert in this and it really needs measuring on the scene but I don't think I'm a million miles out.
He is an absolute prat for doing those speeds past the exit to the show and with spectators around.
I hope the survive if nothing more to learn form their mistakes. Thankfully no one else was hurt.
I've used two methods 1) using google maps to measure rough distance and used the 0.36sec and 2) using multiple lengths of the M2 as it passes through shot at roughly 4.5m each car length
Both methods actually come up with the same speed of nearly 125mph. Even if I really give it the benefit of doubt I struggle to get the estimated speed below 100mph.
My guess would be he was doing in excess of 100mph and possibly nearer to 125mph.
While I'm not an expert in this and it really needs measuring on the scene but I don't think I'm a million miles out.
He is an absolute prat for doing those speeds past the exit to the show and with spectators around.
I hope the survive if nothing more to learn form their mistakes. Thankfully no one else was hurt.
Having a teenage daughter myself her parents received the call all parents dread , I hope they both make a full recovery, I'm sure he'll regret his actions on that day and the time he'll be spending on the bus will give him plenty of time to mull it over.
I've done daft things in my 20s that I learned from but this was in the days when a 205GTi was powerful , at 105bhp not 325bhp
I've done daft things in my 20s that I learned from but this was in the days when a 205GTi was powerful , at 105bhp not 325bhp
How many people are honest and brave enough to say "there but for the grace of God go I"?
Not many, it seems, even if the risks taken weren't as great as those in the video but the consequences could have been much the same.
I'm not condoning the driving whatsoever, and wish those hurt a full recovery.
Not many, it seems, even if the risks taken weren't as great as those in the video but the consequences could have been much the same.
I'm not condoning the driving whatsoever, and wish those hurt a full recovery.
Hopefully he and his girlfriend recover and he learns from his stupidity.
I would assume hearing the other cars accelerating away from the show got his testosterone flowing and him wanting to join in. A little bit too excited later he makes one of the biggest f
k ups of his life.
I use to go to quite a few meets in various cars I've owned over the years. Even the respectable ones had tits thinking it was great to leave with the tail hanging out accelerating as fast as you can.
My then girlfriend who is now my wife commented that it was all a bit embarrassing and when I thought about it she was right. I've never been back to a meet.
I would assume hearing the other cars accelerating away from the show got his testosterone flowing and him wanting to join in. A little bit too excited later he makes one of the biggest f
k ups of his life.I use to go to quite a few meets in various cars I've owned over the years. Even the respectable ones had tits thinking it was great to leave with the tail hanging out accelerating as fast as you can.
My then girlfriend who is now my wife commented that it was all a bit embarrassing and when I thought about it she was right. I've never been back to a meet.
Wishing both a speedy recovery. It's a shame that accidents like this inevitably reflect badly on us younger people. I was fortunate enough to have a new-ish beemer 330i at 21 and now an Aston Vantage at 23. I've never so much as kerbed a car, always had a clean license etc. Admittedly I love going for early morning blasts, but only when and where it's appropriate and won't end in tears. So far sticking to that way of thinking has done me ok - we're not all bad!
Having said that, I used to work for Aston (Gaydon) and went through their advanced training on road and track before they let me loose in their cars. It was a real eye opener and I learned some really useful stuff - definitely recommended. Not sure if it would have helped much here though - some of these videos of cars leaving meets make me cringe, especially as there are always loads of people about and there have been some well publicised crashes/very near misses recently.
Having said that, I used to work for Aston (Gaydon) and went through their advanced training on road and track before they let me loose in their cars. It was a real eye opener and I learned some really useful stuff - definitely recommended. Not sure if it would have helped much here though - some of these videos of cars leaving meets make me cringe, especially as there are always loads of people about and there have been some well publicised crashes/very near misses recently.
S3_Graham said:
The most recent video showing the exit to the site shows the real speed and then you hear the crash...I've taken some risks on the road in my time & will probably do so again at some point, I'm assuming this guy made a mistake, he'll pay dearly for his over enthusiasm as will his girlfriend, he'll be reliving this pretty much every minute of the day even when he's asleep nothing said on here will change things I travelled at some big speeds & had some close shaves be it people not being aware of my closing speed or me not judging something correctly.
At the end of that rambling I'm just saying we're all human beings capable of making mistakes this guy made one let's leave him to live with it.
At the end of that rambling I'm just saying we're all human beings capable of making mistakes this guy made one let's leave him to live with it.
To be fair having been to a few car meets it's not always just the young ones that carried away, years ago Malton Big Breakfast had a similar issue, several cars doing flybys, burnouts etc and that was in a 40 zone, granted it is a large open main road but even so... not the time and place, someone eventually ended up binning a Mustang there, luckily missing everyone as he went over the footpath and into the verge yards from where people/families had gathered to watch.
Hope the two in the OP make a full and fast recovery.
Hope the two in the OP make a full and fast recovery.
CanningTown said:
Jonnny said:
CanningTown said:
Jonnny said:
CanningTown said:
Jonnny said:
I'd be charging Daddy for the fire service time too.
Can you explain your reasoning?Money = Liability in your world does it?
We paid for 4/5 maybe more firemen to use expensive gear to save his life, after him having no care for others.. He should be footing the bill for that time, same as at the 'Ring. You prang it, you pay for it.
There surely will not be any insurance on this claim, debis/trees/new signage, even more costs down to the local government.
Jonnny said:
Stupidity = Liability.
We paid for 4/5 maybe more firemen to use expensive gear to save his life, after him having no care for others.. He should be footing the bill for that time, same as at the 'Ring. You prang it, you pay for it.
There surely will not be any insurance on this claim, debis/trees/new signage, even more costs down to the local government.
So, i hope for rest of your life you never make a mistake and require assistance you pillock. We paid for 4/5 maybe more firemen to use expensive gear to save his life, after him having no care for others.. He should be footing the bill for that time, same as at the 'Ring. You prang it, you pay for it.
There surely will not be any insurance on this claim, debis/trees/new signage, even more costs down to the local government.
f1nn said:
Well, it's all fun and games until it goes wrong unfortunately.
There are some terrible comments in this thread. Regardless of the events leading up to the crash, there are two young people, someone's children, hospitalised and likely in a serious condition.
Agreed. There are some terrible comments in this thread. Regardless of the events leading up to the crash, there are two young people, someone's children, hospitalised and likely in a serious condition.
Leaving a car show/meet is probably one of the riskiest times in terms of "watch this" crash moments.
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