RE: McLaren 570S Spider - official!
Discussion
Craigwww said:
I just can't get excited about these. Just a bit 'meh'.
I'm with you. 675LT aside I cannot get excited about McLarens. I am seriously impressed however that a company that wasn't even building road cars a few years ago is now churning out so many models. But, I am a serious car geek who knows everything about almost every model but these super series maccas have me stumped. More because I simply don't care than lack of ability to keep track.
Scooby P1 said:
I'm with you. 675LT aside I cannot get excited about McLarens.
I am seriously impressed however that a company that wasn't even building road cars a few years ago is now churning out so many models. But, I am a serious car geek who knows everything about almost every model but these super series maccas have me stumped. More because I simply don't care than lack of ability to keep track.
But clearly not enough of a serious car geek to know this is actually a "sports series" model and not a "super series" one I am seriously impressed however that a company that wasn't even building road cars a few years ago is now churning out so many models. But, I am a serious car geek who knows everything about almost every model but these super series maccas have me stumped. More because I simply don't care than lack of ability to keep track.
Maldini35 said:
I suggest you take a test drive 
I've test driven the 650S and was very underwhelmed. I know they are fantastic driving machines and exceptionally fast but the aesthetics and way the car delivers the performance left me feeling like something was missing. Capable but a tad on the dull side. Scooby P1 said:
I'm with you. 675LT aside I cannot get excited about McLarens.
I am seriously impressed however that a company that wasn't even building road cars a few years ago is now churning out so many models. But, I am a serious car geek who knows everything about almost every model but these super series maccas have me stumped. More because I simply don't care than lack of ability to keep track.
Agreed. I want to like them but try as I might, I never have an emotional response to them that compares to Ferrari or Lamborghini. I would take a Merc AMG GT-R or GTS over any model of Mac (bar the obvious). I am seriously impressed however that a company that wasn't even building road cars a few years ago is now churning out so many models. But, I am a serious car geek who knows everything about almost every model but these super series maccas have me stumped. More because I simply don't care than lack of ability to keep track.
Craigwww said:
I've test driven the 650S and was very underwhelmed. I know they are fantastic driving machines and exceptionally fast but the aesthetics and way the car delivers the performance left me feeling like something was missing. Capable but a tad on the dull side.
Do you think the same could be said of the Ferrari 488, esp compared to its predecessors? Well to cover a few of the points mentioned above.
First to those that have a low opinion of McLaren the market would tend to disagree with you. The 570 series has sold extremely well with the new spider having a very healthy pre order book already established.
The 720S had sold out its first years supply even before the first car was delivered.
The 570s has not lost a single comparison test with its immediate rivals the Porsche Turbo S and the Audi R8 V10+ and was voted best sports car by Motor Trend if I remember rightly.
The looks at the end of the day are subjective, personally I love the route McLaren is taking with their cars and I think the "Dare to be Different” styling of the 720s is inspired. Compared to its immediate rivals I think it looks a couple of generations ahead.
Lamborghini and still selling old school wedges, all of which are massively uncomfortable at the best of times and a nightmare if you are over six feet tall.
The 488 visually is just a tarted up 458 with a worse engine.
At the end of the day McLaren has bought another choice to the market to those of us who could never see themselves in a modern day Lambo or Ferrari. The fact that reviews have been so positive in most cases has to be applauded considering how young McLaren are as a supercar maker
First to those that have a low opinion of McLaren the market would tend to disagree with you. The 570 series has sold extremely well with the new spider having a very healthy pre order book already established.
The 720S had sold out its first years supply even before the first car was delivered.
The 570s has not lost a single comparison test with its immediate rivals the Porsche Turbo S and the Audi R8 V10+ and was voted best sports car by Motor Trend if I remember rightly.
The looks at the end of the day are subjective, personally I love the route McLaren is taking with their cars and I think the "Dare to be Different” styling of the 720s is inspired. Compared to its immediate rivals I think it looks a couple of generations ahead.
Lamborghini and still selling old school wedges, all of which are massively uncomfortable at the best of times and a nightmare if you are over six feet tall.
The 488 visually is just a tarted up 458 with a worse engine.
At the end of the day McLaren has bought another choice to the market to those of us who could never see themselves in a modern day Lambo or Ferrari. The fact that reviews have been so positive in most cases has to be applauded considering how young McLaren are as a supercar maker
E65Ross said:
Evo Sean said:
Pretty looking thing however, I can't be alone in thinking that the Mclaren range is confusing, they all look identical to me!
You could drag up a press release from 12 months ago and I wouldn't tell the difference!
Like how Lambo's all look extremely similar, you mean? Or Audis. Or Porsches. Or BMWs. Or Mercedes. I could go on.You could drag up a press release from 12 months ago and I wouldn't tell the difference!
Evo Sean said:
E65Ross said:
Evo Sean said:
Pretty looking thing however, I can't be alone in thinking that the Mclaren range is confusing, they all look identical to me!
You could drag up a press release from 12 months ago and I wouldn't tell the difference!
Like how Lambo's all look extremely similar, you mean? Or Audis. Or Porsches. Or BMWs. Or Mercedes. I could go on.You could drag up a press release from 12 months ago and I wouldn't tell the difference!
of what's what. I certainly have no problem distinguishing the different model.
Lamborghini have stuck steadfastly to the wedge since the Countach but each model has managed to stay fairly distinctive. Porsche, unless you're an anorak for their mainstream models, who knows what you're looking at but they seem to get a pass re all looking the same.
I like McLaren and what they are trying to do, they are doing remarkably well for such a young company. I get that some people don't like them and that's fine, we can't all like the same thing but I think it's a shame a lot here can't even respect them as a British company. I'm not a fan of Mercedes, they've just never done it for me but I wouldn't slag them off. They are clear very good cars.
I notice re Audi you picked the easy ones... A1, A3 and A5
What people have to respect is that McLaren is a niche manufacturer - unlike Audi, Mercedes, Porsche etc. they don't have a 'pedestrian' range of cars - only supercars. Yes, they'll all look similar, it's a given. Whilst these cars are very expensive, they're also very bespoke. An R8 looks very much like a TT, which looks very similar to an A7..etc. Brand recognition.
I think that all McLarens look fantastic and it's very unlikely that you're ever going to have a situation where you're out driving your 570S and you spot another in an identical colour and spec. You can't say that about other entry-level Supercars...
I think that all McLarens look fantastic and it's very unlikely that you're ever going to have a situation where you're out driving your 570S and you spot another in an identical colour and spec. You can't say that about other entry-level Supercars...
C.A.R. said:
What people have to respect is that McLaren is a niche manufacturer - unlike Audi, Mercedes, Porsche etc. they don't have a 'pedestrian' range of cars - only supercars. Yes, they'll all look similar, it's a given. Whilst these cars are very expensive, they're also very bespoke. An R8 looks very much like a TT, which looks very similar to an A7..etc. Brand recognition.
I think that all McLarens look fantastic and it's very unlikely that you're ever going to have a situation where you're out driving your 570S and you spot another in an identical colour and spec. You can't say that about other entry-level Supercars...
The is very true re bespoke... a few years ago when I had an Audi TTS (yeah, yeah, I know) I was fortunate enough to have the loan of the previous shape R8 V10 plus for day. In isolation a great thing but looking around what was Audis £130k halo car I was sitting in the same seats, looking at the same SatNav, same stalks and controls as my lowly TTS. For 4x the price, I expected more bespoke. I think that all McLarens look fantastic and it's very unlikely that you're ever going to have a situation where you're out driving your 570S and you spot another in an identical colour and spec. You can't say that about other entry-level Supercars...
They've done much the same thing with the Virtual Cockpit. The TT boys loved it when it appeared in MK3, moaned when they found out it was going to be in the new Passat. Now it's in the Golf, SUV's, Skoda are getting it. Everywhere.
You've got to move with the times boys and clinging on to the nostalgic Ferrari and Lamborghini thing is just blind loyalty these days.
McLaren is leading the way and ahead of the game but if you want to cling to the past and pay a brand premium for it that's your choice.
Without question the McLarens are better products and if anything over engineered rather than dull.
As someone who has owned all 3 marques I can assure you the McLaren is the best "product " even if its not your idea of fun and drama ( Lamborghini ) or heritage/pedigree and brand snobbery ( Ferrari ).
You pays your money and takes your choice and undoubtedly for what you get and what you pay McLaren is the winner for me. A used 650S spider is an absolute steal at todays money and a future classic with only circa 250 in the UK
McLaren is leading the way and ahead of the game but if you want to cling to the past and pay a brand premium for it that's your choice.
Without question the McLarens are better products and if anything over engineered rather than dull.
As someone who has owned all 3 marques I can assure you the McLaren is the best "product " even if its not your idea of fun and drama ( Lamborghini ) or heritage/pedigree and brand snobbery ( Ferrari ).
You pays your money and takes your choice and undoubtedly for what you get and what you pay McLaren is the winner for me. A used 650S spider is an absolute steal at todays money and a future classic with only circa 250 in the UK
RamboLambo said:
You've got to move with the times boys and clinging on to the nostalgic Ferrari and Lamborghini thing is just blind loyalty these days.
McLaren is leading the way and ahead of the game but if you want to cling to the past and pay a brand premium for it that's your choice.
Without question the McLarens are better products and if anything over engineered rather than dull.
As someone who has owned all 3 marques I can assure you the McLaren is the best "product " even if its not your idea of fun and drama ( Lamborghini ) or heritage/pedigree and brand snobbery ( Ferrari ).
You pays your money and takes your choice and undoubtedly for what you get and what you pay McLaren is the winner for me. A used 650S spider is an absolute steal at todays money and a future classic with only circa 250 in the UK
Fan Boi strong on this one McLaren is leading the way and ahead of the game but if you want to cling to the past and pay a brand premium for it that's your choice.
Without question the McLarens are better products and if anything over engineered rather than dull.
As someone who has owned all 3 marques I can assure you the McLaren is the best "product " even if its not your idea of fun and drama ( Lamborghini ) or heritage/pedigree and brand snobbery ( Ferrari ).
You pays your money and takes your choice and undoubtedly for what you get and what you pay McLaren is the winner for me. A used 650S spider is an absolute steal at todays money and a future classic with only circa 250 in the UK
Tuvra said:
Fan Boi strong on this one
And I can't help thinking that the fact the 12C and 650S are so cheap doesn't mark them out as a bargain but merely highlights what the market really thinks of them as a product.If they were truly as desirable as Rambo is so desperately wanting everyone to think they are they certainly wouldn't be going on the cheap, especially in today's climate where near enough anything perceived as being remotely special is overpriced.
Having said that I'd definitely be testing out a 650S Le Man's if I had the funds, I can't think of a car I like the look of more at it's price point.
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