RE: New Jaguar XF Sportbrake revealed
Discussion
Cotic said:
I would think they tend to react to their own sales figures, rather than a gut feeling on what buyers may prefer. The PH option is always going to be a large petrol engine with a manual gearbox, but that's simply not the Jag way of late.
Much hope that the I6 Ingenium delivers soon though; particularly as other manufacturers of Labrador-transporters move onto 4-pots (looking at you, BMW and Volvo).
ExactlyMuch hope that the I6 Ingenium delivers soon though; particularly as other manufacturers of Labrador-transporters move onto 4-pots (looking at you, BMW and Volvo).
In large exec saloons [from Jag, BMW, Merc etc.] diesel still massively outsells petrol in UK and Jaguar would be stupid to exclude diesels or not prioritise them
PH land is on an entirely different universe to reality - it’s the land of the pedantic know it all’s
In PH Land Jaguar should release a NA Petrol with a 5 speed manual, no ABS, no Airbags, no traction control with 13 inch steels wheels – but no one will buy it including the know it all bullsh-itter who suggested it lol
DUMBO100 said:
I've been really impressed with Jags recently. Sporty but classy styling is a welcome change to the slab sided euro boxes. The wife and I have been looking at an all black F Pace and I am very tempted to order it
I'd advise a longish test drive (weekend?) before handing over the cash. I was smitten with the XF until spending a few days with one and coming to the conclusion it felt a bit cheap inside and not very well screwed together/engineered in general, which for a 4 year 100k mile commitment wasn't confidence inspiring.Lovely to drive and look at though.
Looks absolutely awesome....but the interior is still unjustifiably bad and boring at the price point (especially for the V6 S) and way behind its rivals. 5 Series doesn't looks as good as the Sportbrake, but will drive almost as well, has a much better interior and tech and is probably the better all round package.
Jag estates? No not for me. I would buy a Volvo every time; they are the Masters of the estate car. Living with my XC70 is a pleasure as you constantly enjoy the attention to detail that makes it easy to use; for instance, little things like the rear headrests drop automatically when you lower the backseats. The AWD and turbo engines are powerful enough and the styling is individual and less "euro" than the others. Trying to pretend that an estate car can be sporty or making a sports car practical always ends in a dull compromise*. The JLR petrol engines tend to be very thirsty for what they are too. In summary another dull Jag esp as everyone orders them in (safe) silver or black.
Yes* an AMG or RS estate are exceptions but hell they cost to run!
Yes* an AMG or RS estate are exceptions but hell they cost to run!
This looks a great car, well proportioned and practical enough (decent boot opening) for all the clobber that children require. Fantastic I thought, until a read the article...
Basically I really do wonder at the sometimes shear lunacy of the JLR UK marketing department when it comes to engine options.
Jagaur XF saloon - available with 200 ps, 250 ps and 380 ps petrol motors.
Jagaur XF Estate - only available with the 250 ps petrol and that is priced at about £140 above £40k for the entry level prestige spec (about £5k more than same spec, though 200 ps version in the saloon) which puts it in the£40k + tax bracket for 5 years - nice one Jag!
Then, considering the only petrol option last time was a 550 ps V8, they decide not to offer the (currently) closest thing to it - the 380 ps petrol S, despite it being in the saloon and in the F-pace in the UK market - so U.K. SUV buyers want a petrol V6 but not the estate crowd eh?
All this against a background of a 'backlash' against diesel.
Are they determined to fulfill their own predictions of low petrol sales by not offering the reasonably priced one at one end and the best petrol motor at the other?
I could understand this if it was an engineering or development issue but it isn't - the engine options exist in the saloon and are available for UK buyers so why not have exactly the same engine and trim range in the estate?
I am also still waiting to see the Ingenium petrol options come onto the Landrover configurator for the Disco Sport and Evoque - no doubt when they do they will all be at £40k + ...
Basically I really do wonder at the sometimes shear lunacy of the JLR UK marketing department when it comes to engine options.
Jagaur XF saloon - available with 200 ps, 250 ps and 380 ps petrol motors.
Jagaur XF Estate - only available with the 250 ps petrol and that is priced at about £140 above £40k for the entry level prestige spec (about £5k more than same spec, though 200 ps version in the saloon) which puts it in the£40k + tax bracket for 5 years - nice one Jag!
Then, considering the only petrol option last time was a 550 ps V8, they decide not to offer the (currently) closest thing to it - the 380 ps petrol S, despite it being in the saloon and in the F-pace in the UK market - so U.K. SUV buyers want a petrol V6 but not the estate crowd eh?
All this against a background of a 'backlash' against diesel.
Are they determined to fulfill their own predictions of low petrol sales by not offering the reasonably priced one at one end and the best petrol motor at the other?
I could understand this if it was an engineering or development issue but it isn't - the engine options exist in the saloon and are available for UK buyers so why not have exactly the same engine and trim range in the estate?
I am also still waiting to see the Ingenium petrol options come onto the Landrover configurator for the Disco Sport and Evoque - no doubt when they do they will all be at £40k + ...
DPSFleet said:
Jag estates? No not for me. I would buy a Volvo every time; they are the Masters of the estate car. Living with my XC70 is a pleasure as you constantly enjoy the attention to detail that makes it easy to use; for instance, little things like the rear headrests drop automatically when you lower the backseats. The AWD and turbo engines are powerful enough and the styling is individual and less "euro" than the others. Trying to pretend that an estate car can be sporty or making a sports car practical always ends in a dull compromise*. The JLR petrol engines tend to be very thirsty for what they are too. In summary another dull Jag esp as everyone orders them in (safe) silver or black.
Yes* an AMG or RS estate are exceptions but hell they cost to run!
On the flip side I've driven an XC70 and found it every bit as dull as expected, i also really don't like the way they look.Yes* an AMG or RS estate are exceptions but hell they cost to run!
I'd suggest driving an XF before declaring it a dull compromise. As a drivers car it really is quite something.
SWoll said:
On the flip side I've driven an XC70 and found it every bit as dull as expected, i also really don't like the way they look.
I'd suggest driving an XF before declaring it a dull compromise. As a drivers car it really is quite something.
Matter of fact I have owned several jags including the lifeless V6 F type (I was taken in by the looks) and driven several petrol/diesel XF's for many hundreds of miles via my Work. I choose the fleet car/ list for large Company. The XF was added because it was good for recruitment as the perception is "I have made it - I have a Jaaag!). I also steer people over to the BMW's when asked.I'd suggest driving an XF before declaring it a dull compromise. As a drivers car it really is quite something.
Dunhillion said:
Looks absolutely awesome....but the interior is still unjustifiably bad and boring at the price point (especially for the V6 S) and way behind its rivals. 5 Series doesn't looks as good as the Sportbrake, but will drive almost as well, has a much better interior and tech and is probably the better all round package.
I've got a 2014 V6S which i'm very pleased with, the interior looks great and is wearing well (52k miles on the clock), car is fast and comfortable and is just what I wanted. I find the infotainment visually looks dated but is easy to use (bar a couple of small UX nuances) I've had a couple of XE's as courtesy cars and the interiors felt like a real let down, my Son would miss the air vents that turn around when I change cars in a couple of years.
EC2 said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Given the bad press around diesel, it's a significant oversight not to put a decent petrol option in this car. I'd seriously consider one with a petrol V6, V8 or petrol/electric hybrid powertrain.
Indeed. Manufacturers' are only slowly reacting to this.Or is demand extremely low?
If you look for a BMW 5 series petrol estate on autotrader there are 0 petrol variants available up to 1 year old, and even dropping back to 4 years old only yields 1 - and thats bearing in mind BMW offer 520i, 530i and 540i variants....
DPSFleet said:
SWoll said:
On the flip side I've driven an XC70 and found it every bit as dull as expected, i also really don't like the way they look.
I'd suggest driving an XF before declaring it a dull compromise. As a drivers car it really is quite something.
Matter of fact I have owned several jags including the lifeless V6 F type (I was taken in by the looks) and driven several petrol/diesel XF's for many hundreds of miles via my Work. I choose the fleet car/ list for large Company. The XF was added because it was good for recruitment as the perception is "I have made it - I have a Jaaag!). I also steer people over to the BMW's when asked.I'd suggest driving an XF before declaring it a dull compromise. As a drivers car it really is quite something.
florian said:
Looks like a perfect match for the long-rumored petrol straight six ... please give it ample power!
I really hope that the lack of V6 3.0 petrol at launch is because the i6 is just around the corner. I was seriously considering one of these next year with a 3.0 V6 in it, but I'll be looking elsewhere then as I'm not interested in a 2.0 petrol or a diesel. daemon said:
Are they?
Or is demand extremely low?
If you look for a BMW 5 series petrol estate on autotrader there are 0 petrol variants available up to 1 year old, and even dropping back to 4 years old only yields 1 - and thats bearing in mind BMW offer 520i, 530i and 540i variants....
wait until people work out the car tax and the list prices , diesel isn't that atractive now unless you do big miles Or is demand extremely low?
If you look for a BMW 5 series petrol estate on autotrader there are 0 petrol variants available up to 1 year old, and even dropping back to 4 years old only yields 1 - and thats bearing in mind BMW offer 520i, 530i and 540i variants....
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