RE: New Polo GTI!

[Section 8]

culpz said:

Section 8 said:

Sick of VAG churning out tiny increases in power to slightly out do the last car. Anyone for a Skoda Octavia 220...i mean 230. Oh now they just released a 240!!!.

Seat Leon 280,290.....300!!!!!

Golf 220. Yawn...230?? Yep

Mark my words the Polo GTI 210 WILL be coming to a showroom near you.... after you just bought the 200. And with that engine they will just go on and on an on.

So, what you're saying is, you're sick of VW sticking to a very efficient and reliable engine for many of their VAG range? You're also annoyed at them for giving it slight power tweaks that make it faster but also more frugal?

Manufacturers these days eh?

At what point did i say i was annoyed? It is just laughable that they massage another paltry 10bhp per hotter model out of an engine that is known to put out over 300bhp in factory spec and people buy them because it it gives them that pissing contest win knowing fair well another one will be along in 6 months with.... another 10 whole horsepower!!!

As for that Polo it is hardly a game changer. It has the same power as a 200 ps 2004 Golf GTI and looks to be just as large. At least it will get 10ish more in 6 months and called the Performance Pack!!! Oh VW how we love you.

[DPSFleet]

Anything small, maneuverable and punchy gets my vote, looks a bit edgy too, better looking than the4 lardy Golf. Bet it will be expensive though.

[MDMA .]

lee_erm said:

ZX10R NIN said:

Where the hell is Polo Joe 3 pages & not a sign, I'm now worried maybe he has become a victim of his cars vicious lift off oversteer!!

Probably waiting for the AA

Did he not get banned for linking to his youtube channel all the time?

[Glasgowrob]

will be interesting to see what the tuners do with this,

I wonder if it will be specced the same as the mk7 golf GTi mechanically. which means its only a aggressive map away from 300bhp and 325lbs/ft of torque.

mini Golf R? ie stupid performance and cracking lease deals

[TonyTony]

I guess this engine will also go into the new Seat Ibiza for the Cupra?

The best you can order at the moment is an FR with 95bhp

[Section 8]

While it was never the full fat Cupra the FR has become as diluted as my old primary schools lunchtime orange squash. It's gone from an alternate GTI to a Ssangyong says bye.

Almost as shamefull as the M badge.

[zeDuffMan]

Vitorio said:

VW need 2 litres to put out 200hp reliably?

embarrassing if you ask me, but good news for prospective tune-happy owners

I read an article a while ago that said after the emissions debacles, some 'performance' engines will be increasing in capacity as it's easier to genuinely meet emissions regs with larger ones.

The Mini Cooper S went up to 2 litres as well, possibly for that reason.

Either way, a simpler, less stressed engine is always better than a highly strung one. Ford's 1 litre engine has had turbos popping left right and centre. There's just no point if yon don't need to.

[Drive Blind]

Could the move from 1.8 to 2.0 maybe have been dictated by the DSG gearbox?

i'm sure I've read the 1.4 and the 1.8 both have the same peak torque output cos that's the most that DSG box can handle. Lets just say for argument its 180lb ft.
Whereas the 2.0 uses the 'better' DSG box that can deal with 300lb ft+

[lee_erm]

zeDuffMan said:

Ford's 1 litre engine has had turbos popping left right and centre. There's just no point if yon don't need to.

Completely untrue. The engine has a lower specific power output per litre than the higher output TSI engines, even with the 140ps output. The 1.0 Ecoboost doesn't run at especially high boost pressure, uses quality Borg Warner turbos and has no oil starvation problems. I'm not aware of any turbos popping anywhere. In fact the standard (125ps +) turbo is happy at 22psi, at a specific engine output of 180ps.

I'd day its by far the most reliable of the modern small capacity turbo engines.

Edited by lee_erm on Monday 19th June 23:26

[Mike1990]

TonyTony said:

I guess this engine will also go into the new Seat Ibiza for the Cupra?

The best you can order at the moment is an FR with 95bhp

95 !? :O

I'am sure the last FR was in 150bhp and 120bhp guises. 95 shouldn't be anywhere near the FR badging lol.

Edit: Just looked, the Preface had 1.4 with 148bhp and a 1.2 with 105bhp, the new Facelift with the 1.0 has 110bhp.

Edited by Mike1990 on Monday 19th June 23:27

[BlackLabel]

Lots of talk about remaps and tuning but given that VW could void the warranty on mapped cars (like in the thread below or just google vw td1 code) would you really take the chance?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=14...

Unless of course things have changed in which case I stand corrected.

[Nickbrapp]

And today vw also unveiled a scaled down next gen 1 series

I think it looks fantastic, same output as the new ST although that makes do with a 1.0 triple so I guess this will be better for refinement

[ambuletz]

Mike1990 said:

TonyTony said:

I guess this engine will also go into the new Seat Ibiza for the Cupra?

The best you can order at the moment is an FR with 95bhp

95 !? :O

I'am sure the last FR was in 150bhp and 120bhp guises. 95 shouldn't be anywhere near the FR badging lol.

Edit: Just looked, the Preface had 1.4 with 148bhp and a 1.2 with 105bhp, the new Facelift with the 1.0 has 110bhp.

Edited by Mike1990 on Monday 19th June 23:27

wrong! infact the most powerful ibiza FR you can get has a whopping 115hp, a 1litre TSI unit. the ibiza that's being replaced still has a 1.4 TSI that's got 150hp

[RumbleOfThunder]

lee_erm said:

zeDuffMan said:

Ford's 1 litre engine has had turbos popping left right and centre. There's just no point if yon don't need to.

Completely untrue. The engine has a lower specific power output per litre than the higher output TSI engines, even with the 140ps output. The 1.0 Ecoboost doesn't run at especially high boost pressure, uses quality Borg Warner turbos and has no oil starvation problems. I'm not aware of any turbos popping anywhere. In fact the standard (125ps +) turbo is happy at 22psi, at a specific engine output of 180ps.

I'd day its by far the most reliable of the modern small capacity turbo engines.

Edited by lee_erm on Monday 19th June 23:26

But you're forgetting "stressed" and "highly strung". I swear it's the biggest misnomer on this site these days.

[culpz]

Section 8 said:

culpz said:

Section 8 said:

Sick of VAG churning out tiny increases in power to slightly out do the last car. Anyone for a Skoda Octavia 220...i mean 230. Oh now they just released a 240!!!.

Seat Leon 280,290.....300!!!!!

Golf 220. Yawn...230?? Yep

Mark my words the Polo GTI 210 WILL be coming to a showroom near you.... after you just bought the 200. And with that engine they will just go on and on an on.

So, what you're saying is, you're sick of VW sticking to a very efficient and reliable engine for many of their VAG range? You're also annoyed at them for giving it slight power tweaks that make it faster but also more frugal?

Manufacturers these days eh?

At what point did i say i was annoyed? It is just laughable that they massage another paltry 10bhp per hotter model out of an engine that is known to put out over 300bhp in factory spec and people buy them because it it gives them that pissing contest win knowing fair well another one will be along in 6 months with.... another 10 whole horsepower!!!

As for that Polo it is hardly a game changer. It has the same power as a 200 ps 2004 Golf GTI and looks to be just as large. At least it will get 10ish more in 6 months and called the Performance Pack!!! Oh VW how we love you.

Erm, you did? Well, you said you were "sick of". In your context, you're clearly angered by it, especially with your cavalier use of exclamation marks.

I can tell you're not a VAG man and that's fine. Not everyone gets it. VW simply wants to improve this well-renowned and robust 2.0 turbo petrol unit as apposed to making a new, complicated one with hideous issues. They have clearly learnt from their twin-charged mistake.

I never said it was a game changer. It's just a further improvement from the previous model. In typical VW fashion, despite it being an all new model, the revisions aren't exactly breathtaking, i'll agree. I just like it's ability to be a good all-rounder, just like the Golf GTI.

It will be a fair bit lighter than the MK5, as it's on the new MQ chassis. The MK5 chassis looks ancient in comparison. Yes, there is a chance they may bring out a performance pack version or have a sport pack option. I'm really struggling to see what's actually bothering you here?

Edited by culpz on Tuesday 20th June 08:41

[StoatInACoat]

Vitorio said:

VW need 2 litres to put out 200hp reliably?

embarrassing if you ask me, but good news for prospective tune-happy owners

Conversely I would much rather have a 2.0 engine with 200bhp than a 1.4 with 200bhp. Just feel nicer to drive and more flexible. I think I am in the minority though as I don't expect good performance (and 200bhp is plenty) and to also get 55mpg and would always sacrifice MPG for a subjectively "nicer" engine.

[RumbleOfThunder]

I'll be gobsmacked if this comes under 21k OTR.

[NicGTI]

I'm going to go out on a whim here...... I like it!

[M1C]

Well, i still think it's bland. Albeit i've only seen a few pics so far.

I'm not confusing bland with subtle..i mean...a Golf R is subtle...but still looks...good (IMO)...this...with it's rounded off edges...i dont know.

I prefer the look of the new Ibiza at the moment.

A 1.5 150PS engine is heading into that (FR guise?) So i suspect it will make it to the Polo in 'GT' spec.

[M-SportMatt]

ash73 said:

Why did they fit a 2.0 litre boat anchor in a Polo, in this day and age?

I'd be interested to know how much it weighs then as you seem to know?