Big diesel barge modifications. Remap plus DPF / EGR delete.

[daemon]

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

The most sensible answers by far. My Golf R has a 376 bhp remap and a Miltek exhaust plus de-cat so despite not being DERV-driven i doubt it's too great for the environment. Yes i agree, a car enthusiasts' forum isn't the first place to expect to see people worrying about emissions either. A freight train passes our village twice a day and the smoke that thing puts out and the smell would cover 50 Ferrari 458s i would think and they are anything but clean. So no downsides really and the DPF will look like it's still there so MOT will be fine. Looking forward to next week.

You do know that If you do remove the DPF and don't declare it (which you cannot as you'd be telling your insurer car isn't roadworthy/illegal) utterly invalidated your insurance.

Are you suffering a brain fart in making that judgement call or do you play fast and loose with everything?

In theory, possibly, but in reality no insurance company is going to "utterly invalidate your insurance" for removing a DPF. Apart from anything, how would they ever know?

In fact - they cant anyway. They can refuse to pay out on a modded car, however they cant invalidate the third party part of your insurance.

Lets keep a sense of perspective and a sense of reality.

[boz1]

Barchettaman said:

A downside? Well, it´s immoral, illegal and antisocial, plus as an undeclared modification it could invalidate your insurance.

Your call.

QFT

[TurboHatchback]

boz1 said:

Barchettaman said:

A downside? Well, it´s immoral, illegal and antisocial, plus as an undeclared modification it could invalidate your insurance.

Your call.

QFT

Exactly. Anyone removing their DPF should have their car taken off them and crushed IMO, a truly wkerish thing to do.

[njw1]

TurboHatchback said:

boz1 said:

Barchettaman said:

A downside? Well, it´s immoral, illegal and antisocial, plus as an undeclared modification it could invalidate your insurance.

Your call.

QFT

Exactly. Anyone removing their DPF should have their car taken off them and crushed IMO, a truly wkerish thing to do.

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

[daemon]

njw1 said:

TurboHatchback said:

boz1 said:

Barchettaman said:

A downside? Well, it´s immoral, illegal and antisocial, plus as an undeclared modification it could invalidate your insurance.

Your call.

QFT

Exactly. Anyone removing their DPF should have their car taken off them and crushed IMO, a truly wkerish thing to do.

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

Oh i know. Its amazing how some people justify their own lifestyle choices relating to the environment.

[Welshbeef]

njw1 said:

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

You say that

Or you could say OP on a public forum which Pistonheads Ltd would have to disclose his IP to old bill stating he is going to break the law and that's ok then I'm afraid you are way off the mark.

[daemon]

Welshbeef said:

njw1 said:

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

You say that

Or you could say OP on a public forum which Pistonheads Ltd would have to disclose his IP to old bill stating he is going to break the law and that's ok then I'm afraid you are way off the mark.

FFS get over yourself.

Edited by daemon on Friday 23 June 22:26

[HannsG]

Removed DPF from my Saab, every time I put my foot down. Smoke upon smoke.

It's noticeable... I would not bother

[daemon]

HannsG said:

Removed DPF from my Saab, every time I put my foot down. Smoke upon smoke.

It's noticeable... I would not bother

Then you have other issues happening there that the DPF was merely disguising. Worn injectors / overfuelling spring to mind.

[Grindle]

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

The most sensible answers by far. My Golf R has a 376 bhp remap and a Miltek exhaust plus de-cat so despite not being DERV-driven i doubt it's too great for the environment. Yes i agree, a car enthusiasts' forum isn't the first place to expect to see people worrying about emissions either. A freight train passes our village twice a day and the smoke that thing puts out and the smell would cover 50 Ferrari 458s i would think and they are anything but clean. So no downsides really and the DPF will look like it's still there so MOT will be fine. Looking forward to next week.

You do know that If you do remove the DPF and don't declare it (which you cannot as you'd be telling your insurer car isn't roadworthy/illegal) utterly invalidated your insurance.

Are you suffering a brain fart in making that judgement call or do you play fast and loose with everything?

Like others have said it's a good modification to make and will not result in more smoke since the engine is in excellent always-serviced condition. I have had many of my cars modified over the years so am i and the thousands of other Pistonheads members who get a remap or DPF delete, whatever, (PH=Speed matters) ALL suffering a brain fart then? Further, is every remapping and tuning company worthy of jailing because they are making cars 'illegal' and uninsured knowing most customers will not tell their insurers? To answer you it's not crazy getting a car remapped or deleting an EGR. It's called getting your car to perform better and i agree with the fella further back on the thread that says that those going all Greenpeace should find a more boring car site, maybe one for cars under 60 bhp or something that do 90 mpg.

[Grindle]

daemon said:

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

The most sensible answers by far. My Golf R has a 376 bhp remap and a Miltek exhaust plus de-cat so despite not being DERV-driven i doubt it's too great for the environment. Yes i agree, a car enthusiasts' forum isn't the first place to expect to see people worrying about emissions either. A freight train passes our village twice a day and the smoke that thing puts out and the smell would cover 50 Ferrari 458s i would think and they are anything but clean. So no downsides really and the DPF will look like it's still there so MOT will be fine. Looking forward to next week.

You do know that If you do remove the DPF and don't declare it (which you cannot as you'd be telling your insurer car isn't roadworthy/illegal) utterly invalidated your insurance.

Are you suffering a brain fart in making that judgement call or do you play fast and loose with everything?

In theory, possibly, but in reality no insurance company is going to "utterly invalidate your insurance" for removing a DPF. Apart from anything, how would they ever know?

In fact - they cant anyway. They can refuse to pay out on a modded car, however they cant invalidate the third party part of your insurance.

Lets keep a sense of perspective and a sense of reality.

+1, more like +10

[Grindle]

njw1 said:

TurboHatchback said:

boz1 said:

Barchettaman said:

A downside? Well, it´s immoral, illegal and antisocial, plus as an undeclared modification it could invalidate your insurance.

Your call.

QFT

Exactly. Anyone removing their DPF should have their car taken off them and crushed IMO, a truly wkerish thing to do.

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

It makes you wonder if some of these clowns are on the right forum doesn't it! LMFAO.

[Grindle]

daemon said:

Welshbeef said:

njw1 said:

Feckin 'ell! The guy's considering removing his DPF, not driving down the street mowing down small children, puppies and kittens!

You say that

Or you could say OP on a public forum which Pistonheads Ltd would have to disclose his IP to old bill stating he is going to break the law and that's ok then I'm afraid you are way off the mark.

FFS get over yourself.

Edited by daemon on Friday 23 June 22:26

Welshbeef, are you for real or a total pussy?

[Welshbeef]

Grindle said:

daemon said:

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

The most sensible answers by far. My Golf R has a 376 bhp remap and a Miltek exhaust plus de-cat so despite not being DERV-driven i doubt it's too great for the environment. Yes i agree, a car enthusiasts' forum isn't the first place to expect to see people worrying about emissions either. A freight train passes our village twice a day and the smoke that thing puts out and the smell would cover 50 Ferrari 458s i would think and they are anything but clean. So no downsides really and the DPF will look like it's still there so MOT will be fine. Looking forward to next week.

You do know that If you do remove the DPF and don't declare it (which you cannot as you'd be telling your insurer car isn't roadworthy/illegal) utterly invalidated your insurance.

Are you suffering a brain fart in making that judgement call or do you play fast and loose with everything?

In theory, possibly, but in reality no insurance company is going to "utterly invalidate your insurance" for removing a DPF. Apart from anything, how would they ever know?

In fact - they cant anyway. They can refuse to pay out on a modded car, however they cant invalidate the third party part of your insurance.

Lets keep a sense of perspective and a sense of reality.

+1, more like +10

Minus 10 in my book.

[caelite]

I'd go ahead, from a realistic standpoint, unless you are in a busy city DPFs are going to make a negligible difference as the pollution they prevent is very localised. As others have pointed out if removed properly they wont make a difference in an MOT for the foreseeable future.

Same applies for an EGR, the difference being an EGR actively damages your engine (albeit very slowly) well in use, particularly in a diesel where larger carbon deposits in the exhaust increase bore wear.

Take them both out and get the map, ignore the holier-than-thou types.

[Begall]

All the talk about smoke is a red herring - emissions equipment prevents plenty of awful things you can't see (the sorts of things that give people cancer and cause respiratory problems) from getting into the air.

IMO it would be good for some proper criminal penalties to be introduced around people who drive cars without the correct emissions equipment and more importantly for the businesses that are making money off carrying out the work. There's no justification (no matter how hard you try, like the Golf R guy above) for forcing everyone in the local vicinity to breathe in extra invisible cancer dust in exchange for 0.5s to 60.

[anonymous-user]

i think with all the information about diesels removing something that reduces soot is morally wrong, ok you get a few more hp but you can get more hp with it in place. they do a job they are made for it is stupid to remove it.

[daemon]

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

daemon said:

Welshbeef said:

Grindle said:

The most sensible answers by far. My Golf R has a 376 bhp remap and a Miltek exhaust plus de-cat so despite not being DERV-driven i doubt it's too great for the environment. Yes i agree, a car enthusiasts' forum isn't the first place to expect to see people worrying about emissions either. A freight train passes our village twice a day and the smoke that thing puts out and the smell would cover 50 Ferrari 458s i would think and they are anything but clean. So no downsides really and the DPF will look like it's still there so MOT will be fine. Looking forward to next week.

You do know that If you do remove the DPF and don't declare it (which you cannot as you'd be telling your insurer car isn't roadworthy/illegal) utterly invalidated your insurance.

Are you suffering a brain fart in making that judgement call or do you play fast and loose with everything?

In theory, possibly, but in reality no insurance company is going to "utterly invalidate your insurance" for removing a DPF. Apart from anything, how would they ever know?

In fact - they cant anyway. They can refuse to pay out on a modded car, however they cant invalidate the third party part of your insurance.

Lets keep a sense of perspective and a sense of reality.

+1, more like +10

Minus 10 in my book.

Hand wringing and scare mongering doesnt make you right.

[daemon]

The Spruce goose said:

i think with all the information about diesels removing something that reduces soot is morally wrong, ok you get a few more hp but you can get more hp with it in place. they do a job they are made for it is stupid to remove it.

But modifying petrol cars to burn even more fossil fuels is ok is it?

Decat pipes were / are a popular tuning mod for example, as well as the sheer effect of pumping more fossil fuels in to an engine.

[Grindle]

daemon said:

The Spruce goose said:

i think with all the information about diesels removing something that reduces soot is morally wrong, ok you get a few more hp but you can get more hp with it in place. they do a job they are made for it is stupid to remove it.

But modifying petrol cars to burn even more fossil fuels is ok is it?

Decat pipes were / are a popular tuning mod for example, as well as the sheer effect of pumping more fossil fuels in to an engine.

Precisely Daemon, i can totally 'get' someone who is a committed 'Green' and is completely consistent about it. But the vast majority of people knocking diesels and/or diesel re-maps or egr/dpf deletes are what i call selectively Green. I know a fella who will not go near a diesel due to pollution levels yet he drives happily his 2011 Subaru running around 600 bhp and essentially a straight through exhaust. CAI, etc. How Green or clean will that be i wonder?