Being warned by other motorists......police camera van ahead

[Erudite geezer]

On a semi-related note, also recall receive warnings from drivers on semi-rural roads in the morning after high-winds; warnings about tree and other debris on the road.

[siovey]

I did this once. The car coming in the opposite direction was really traveling in a 30 zone. Seemed way over the limit. So I flashed him to slow down. Turned out to be an unmarked police car who stopped me shortly after.

He gave me a warning, advising it was against the law etc. And next time I would get fined.So I haven't done it since

[Boosted LS1]

The important thing is to make no admmissions that the flash was intended to warn the other driver of the camera van that you hadn't even noticed :-)

[Markbarry1977]

Think I would go with the oops got the wrong lever officer I meant to wash the windows. Would be near impossible to prove otherwise.

[Leins]

gforceg said:

Leins said:

Routine behaviour here in Ireland, and almost viewed as bad form not to

What sort of threshold over the limit do they set Leins? I was over last week and rolled past a van in an 80 limit a little over.

Thanks

Not completely sure, but think it's probably about 10%. The "safety" vans flash, but the police/Garda ones don't afaik

[Hoofy]

FlabbyMidgets said:

Happens around here (south Wales) quite often. I do recall a story in the news about an elderly chap who was prosecuted for doing this. Not sure what under, perverting the course of justice or obstruction I would guess.

Mmm.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343959/Dr...

So the police actually want us to break the speed limit, it seems.

[bristolracer]

Erudite geezer said:

On a semi-related note, also recall receive warnings from drivers on semi-rural roads in the morning after high-winds; warnings about tree and other debris on the road.

I have also flashed oncoming traffic to warn of an accident.

[Jaguar steve]

Right, flamesuit on

I don't. Not intending being a sanctimonious tt about it at all but just for a moment consider this:

If you're too unobservant or distracted to know what the limit is or too lazy to find out or you do know what it is but you're presumptuous enough to consider yourself exempt from sticking to it or you couldn't give a toss about limits and just drive at whatever speed suits you then a FPN and points and insurance premium hike hopefully make an effective wake up call as nobody could even begin to argue any of those attributes work in a positive way for anybody else using the road.

I'm pretty sure any observant and alert driver would be equally safe driving at some way over the limit in most situations on most roads but unfortunately speed limits have to be in place to accommodate and mitigate the effects of inattention and mistakes and the sheer fk you selfishness and stupidity of the significant majority of people on the road who aren't as well as compensate some little way for the absolutely knackered tyres and tired brakes you all to often see on cars belonging to people who just don't give a st.

IMO If you do warn someone of the presence of Plod and encourage them to wake up and behave themselves for a mile or two you're actually facilitating and rewarding precisely that behavior whenever Plod is busy elsewhere.

[NoIP]

Jaguar steve said:

Right, flamesuit on

I don't. Not intending being a sanctimonious tt about it at all but just for a moment consider this:

If you're too unobservant or distracted to know what the limit is or too lazy to find out or you do know what it is but you're presumptuous enough to consider yourself exempt from sticking to it or you couldn't give a toss about limits and just drive at whatever speed suits you then a FPN and points and insurance premium hike hopefully make an effective wake up call as nobody could even begin to argue any of those attributes work in a positive way for anybody else using the road.

I'm pretty sure any observant and alert driver would be equally safe driving at some way over the limit in most situations on most roads but unfortunately speed limits have to be in place to accommodate and mitigate the effects of inattention and mistakes and the sheer fk you selfishness and stupidity of the significant majority of people on the road who aren't as well as compensate some little way for the absolutely knackered tyres and tired brakes you all to often see on cars belonging to people who just don't give a st.

IMO If you do warn someone of the presence of Plod and encourage them to wake up and behave themselves for a mile or two you're actually facilitating and rewarding precisely that behavior whenever Plod is busy elsewhere.

Hark at the driving God.

[caelite]

Jaguar steve said:

...a sanctimonious tt about it at all...

I would partially agree with this if the van was highly visible, situated in an accident blackspot where speed may factor into a nasty accident. However that is almost never the case, they deliberately position themselves where a reasonable individual will struggle to spot them before it's too late. They also situate themselves where normal drivers may feel it is safe to speed, such as within ~50m of limit change signs, or in 30/40mph dual carriageways in the middle of the night.

They are out trying to criminalise folks for minor negligence, yes a law is being broken but to argue their purpose is for safety is entirely incorrect. Personally I think there usage is in need of serious reform, with more guidelines put into place as to where and when they can be active, until that day I will do my best to warn other road users of their presence.

[Jaguar steve]

NoIP said:

Jaguar steve said:

Right, flamesuit on

I don't. Not intending being a sanctimonious tt about it at all but just for a moment consider this:

If you're too unobservant or distracted to know what the limit is or too lazy to find out or you do know what it is but you're presumptuous enough to consider yourself exempt from sticking to it or you couldn't give a toss about limits and just drive at whatever speed suits you then a FPN and points and insurance premium hike hopefully make an effective wake up call as nobody could even begin to argue any of those attributes work in a positive way for anybody else using the road.

I'm pretty sure any observant and alert driver would be equally safe driving at some way over the limit in most situations on most roads but unfortunately speed limits have to be in place to accommodate and mitigate the effects of inattention and mistakes and the sheer fk you selfishness and stupidity of the significant majority of people on the road who aren't as well as compensate some little way for the absolutely knackered tyres and tired brakes you all to often see on cars belonging to people who just don't give a st.

IMO If you do warn someone of the presence of Plod and encourage them to wake up and behave themselves for a mile or two you're actually facilitating and rewarding precisely that behavior whenever Plod is busy elsewhere.

Hark at the driving God.

Not at all. Read it again and think about it. I'm old enough and been driving for long enough to know that everybody, especially me fks up a lot more than perhaps they'd want to admit. Often you'll get away with it - very occasionally you don't.

Consider this too. Quite apart from the devastating human tragedy every fatality on the road costs several hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money. If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.

[Boosted LS1]

Inattention and poor driving cause accidents not speeding. The speed kills mantra is wrong imo.

[CivBrum]

Boosted LS1 said:

Inattention and poor driving cause accidents not speeding. The speed kills mantra is wrong imo.

It can't be denied that speed exacerbates problems caused by inattention and/or poor driving.

Also, everyone thinks they are a better driver than they are.

[limpsfield]

Jaguar steve said:

Right, flamesuit on

I don't. Not intending being a sanctimonious tt about it at all

I am afraid you have failed. You had better get back to ranting about number plates in Essex.

[NoIP]

Jaguar steve said:

Consider this too. Quite apart from the devastating human tragedy every fatality on the road costs several hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money. If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.

Oh do be quiet. Is Brake paying you to post here?

Alerting other motorists to dangers/speed traps ahead is a very decent and considerate thing to do in my opinion and in this world of 'every man for himself' that we live in these days it's nice to see random strangers still looking out for each other. It seems that you are part of society that doesn't give a flying fk about anyone else other than yourself and would probably take great pleasure in other people's misfortunes. Pathetic.

Edited by NoIP on Sunday 25th June 14:36

[Jaguar steve]

NoIP said:

Jaguar steve said:

Consider this too. Quite apart from the devastating human tragedy every fatality on the road costs several hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money. If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.

Oh do be quiet. Is Brake paying you to post here?

Alerting other motorists to dangers/speed traps ahead is a very decent and considerate thing to do in my opinion and in this world of 'every man for himself' that we live in these days it's nice to see random strangers still looking out for each other. It seems that you are part of society that doesn't give a flying fk about anyone else other than yourself and would probably take great pleasure in other people's misfortunes. Pathetic.

Edited by NoIP on Sunday 25th June 14:36

So it's a misfortune in your view that somebody gets nicked when placing their own need for inappropriate speed on a higher priority than respecting the law yes? Would you apply that same world view and assist anybody in avoiding the misfortune of being nicked when evading the law in some other way too?

I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.

I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.

[NoIP]

Jaguar steve said:

So it's a misfortune in your view that somebody gets nicked when placing their own need for inappropriate speed on a higher priority than respecting the law yes? Would you apply that same world view and assist anybody in avoiding the misfortune of being nicked when evading the law in some other way too?

I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.

I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.

Jaguar steve said:

If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.

So in short then, in your warped little mind it's absolutely fine to be messing with the radio or hacking out a text message, thus not concentrating on the road, so long as you're driving at or under the posted speed limit, but anyone fully concentrating on the road and driving over the speed limit should be hung, drawn and quartered because ZOMFG SPEED KILLZ!!!!11. Right..

You need to delete Brake's website from your favourites list then come back here and try again with a clear head.

Edited by NoIP on Sunday 25th June 15:27

[Dr Jekyll]

Jaguar steve said:

I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.

This is what gets to me. I apparently, am not a member of 'society'. The people coming the other way who warn me of a speedtrap because they think the limit is unnecessarily low aren't members of society. The drivers behind me who are impatient because I'm sticking to that limit aren't.

'Society' just seems to consist of Jaguar Steve, the speed trap operators, and any local who thinks a speed limit should be reduced.

If we try and point out that certain limits can't be justified on safety grounds, we are told that's perfectly OK because they are there to save fuel, reduce noise, encourage 'modal shift', reduce CO2 emissions so it's quite OK for them to be set well below the maximum safe speed. Simultaneously, we are told that exceeding any limit, any time anywhere, or even suggesting that exceeding it in certain circumstances might be quite safe, makes us dangerous hooligans.

Whoever 'Society' is, it must be obeyed at all times and fortunately we have Jaguar Steve (and one or two other posters) who know exactly what Society wants and so we must do as they say.

[redcast]

[quote=Jaguar steve]Right, flamesuit on

I don't. Not intending being a sanctimonious tt about it at all but
/quote]
Failed miserably there pal. I can drive past a speed van on the wrong side of the road, paralytic drunk and with no insurance and have nothing happen.
Couple of mph past the limit and I'm no better than a paedo. I've seen them get off with less punishment than someone over a ton on an empty motorway.

[CivBrum]

Dr Jekyll said:

Jaguar steve said:

I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.

This is what gets to me. I apparently, am not a member of 'society'. The people coming the other way who warn me of a speedtrap because they think the limit is unnecessarily low aren't members of society. The drivers behind me who are impatient because I'm sticking to that limit aren't.

'Society' just seems to consist of Jaguar Steve, the speed trap operators, and any local who thinks a speed limit should be reduced.

If we try and point out that certain limits can't be justified on safety grounds, we are told that's perfectly OK because they are there to save fuel, reduce noise, encourage 'modal shift', reduce CO2 emissions so it's quite OK for them to be set well below the maximum safe speed. Simultaneously, we are told that exceeding any limit, any time anywhere, or even suggesting that exceeding it in certain circumstances might be quite safe, makes us dangerous hooligans.

Whoever 'Society' is, it must be obeyed at all times and fortunately we have Jaguar Steve (and one or two other posters) who know exactly what Society wants and so we must do as they say.

So basically you think you should ignore the rules that you don't quite like? Does everyone get that benefit or only you?