The BAD PARKING thread [vol4]

[stuartmmcfc]

DoubleD said:

I imagine that you were angry with her, human nature would mean that she would respond in the same way. I guess it's a way of defence for humans.

I agree although I wasn’t as angry as she was at being called out

[LochTay]

My mum was in a wheelchair for the last few years of her life. She had two sets of stickers made up. "You have my parking space, perhaps you would like my disability too?" and "This vehicle is badly parked".

Both in yellow and black like a parking fine bag. Both on very sticky adhesive. Both took a few seconds to apply, to door, wing mirror etc even from her wheelchair.

[DoubleD]

LochTay said:

My mum was in a wheelchair for the last few years of her life. She had two sets of stickers made up. "You have my parking space, perhaps you would like my disability too?" and "This vehicle is badly parked".

Both in yellow and black like a parking fine bag. Both on very sticky adhesive. Both took a few seconds to apply, to door, wing mirror etc even from her wheelchair.

Well, everyone needs a hobby I suppose.

[anonymous-user]

stuartmmcfc said:

Strudul said:

I just can't think of a time when I've felt so inconvenienced by someone parking on the pavement

And there it is a nutshell. If you were ever in a situation I’m in then you’d understand.
Incidentally, there wasn’t another car parked opposite, they’re double yellow lines and a bus stop. It’s just driving past.
I also remember what a pain it was getting a pushchairs wheels covered in mud when either you got home or had to put it in the car.

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Monday 7th December 13:50

Quite; Studul can you not understand that you're not inconvenienced by this because you have two working legs, so walking around a poorly parked car is of no consequence at all to you? I don't imagine you've ever been inconvenienced by a single step at a shop, or an over steep ramp, or someone parking over a lowered keb. Spend 30 seconds thinking about what it might be like to be in that position and then decide if walking 30 yards from a proper parking spot is such a massive chore for those fortunate enough to be able to do that withought the slightest difficulty.

I really hope that it is just a case that you're arguing for the convenience of lazy parkers over the indepence of the disabled because you haven't really thought it through, rather then because you have and you actually believe that avoiding the trivial inconvenience of many is worth sacrificing the independence of a minority for. A minority that any of us can find ourselves joining, if it has to be related back to yourself to be understood.

[Strudul]

stickleback123 said:

Quite; Studul can you not understand that you're not inconvenienced by this because you have two working legs, so walking around a poorly parked car is of no consequence at all to you? I don't imagine you've ever been inconvenienced by a single step at a shop, or an over steep ramp, or someone parking over a lowered keb. Spend 30 seconds thinking about what it might be like to be in that position and then decide if walking 30 yards from a proper parking spot is such a massive chore for those fortunate enough to be able to do that withought the slightest difficulty.

I really hope that it is just a case that you're arguing for the convenience of lazy parkers over the indepence of the disabled because you haven't really thought it through, rather then because you have and you actually believe that avoiding the trivial inconvenience of many is worth sacrificing the independence of a minority for. A minority that any of us can find ourselves joining, if it has to be related back to yourself to be understood.

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

If anything I'm advocating their independence and abilities.

[anonymous-user]

Strudul said:

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

If anything I'm advocating their independence and abilities.

Go back however far to find a lowered kerb (hopefully someone hasn't parked across it) cross the road (hopefully nobody has blocked the lowered kerb on that side), go past (hopefully nobody has blocked this side too), find a lowered kerb (hopefully someone hasn't parked across it) cross the road again (hopefully nobody has blocked the lowered kerb on that side) and then continue (or double back, depends how big your detour is).

Every time some lazy blocks a pavement.

[Alex@POD]

Strudul said:

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

If anything I'm advocating their independence and abilities.

What most people imagine it's like being in a wheelchair:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5W86L-Fk3o&ab...

What Strudul imagines everyday life in a wheelchair is like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYsMvWC67uM&ab...

[TVRBRZ]

Strudul said:

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

If anything I'm advocating their independence and abilities.

I'm beginning to think that Strudul is trolling. If not, and some benefit of doubt for someone a bit under endowed in the empathy and imagination department; a further example of why pavement parking is seriously dangerous:

We live on a B Road as it exits our village up hill. Everyone guns their engine so as to be at NSL on exit. Chap over the other side of the road has 3 cars and a driveway for 2. Leaves car 3# blocking the pavement.

Little old biddy in the Village centre lost both legs in a car accident and has an electric wheelchair. Doesn't strike me as a very good one as it has small wheel and with her legless body, a seemingly high centre of gravity (perhaps all that the NHS can afford to give her), so I can't see how she manages any kerb higher than a dropped kerb.

Frequently she travels independently to the church on the edge of the village to tend to a grave. On reaching the obstructing car she has to drop down onto the road, and traverse past it at walking speed while negotiating cars and lorries doing 40mph+.

Now if she was my relative I'd try to talk her out of conducting a very hazardous journey just for putting some flowers on a grave - but then why should she stop travelling WITHIN the village because of a selfish, lazy arse with perfect mobility?

[anonymous-user]

TVRBRZ said:

Now if she was my relative I'd try to talk her out of conducting a very hazardous journey just for putting some flowers on a grave - but then why should she stop travelling WITHIN the village because of a selfish, lazy arse with perfect mobility?

That is the crux of the matter. It really is no hassle for an able bodied person to park 50, 100, even 500 yards away from their destination, and yet it's so very important that they the special one don't have to walk more than the barest minimum distance that they're quite happy to cause massive inconvenience and indeed hazard to others, up to the point of actually robbing people of their independence. To go back to Strudul's point that it's better to block the pavement than the road, firstly I disagree but secondly isn't it better to do neither?

I try to generously think that the special ones are just too stupid and self obsessed to know what they're doing, but in actual fact they probably do and simply don't care because they're s, like the woman who told stuartmmcfc to fk off.

[dmsims]

"Rule 244. You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs."

[stuartmmcfc]

stickleback123 said:

Strudul said:

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

If anything I'm advocating their independence and abilities.

Go back however far to find a lowered kerb (hopefully someone hasn't parked across it) cross the road (hopefully nobody has blocked the lowered kerb on that side), go past (hopefully nobody has blocked this side too), find a lowered kerb (hopefully someone hasn't parked across it) cross the road again (hopefully nobody has blocked the lowered kerb on that side) and then continue (or double back, depends how big your detour is).

Every time some lazy blocks a pavement.

This all day long. The only thing you forgot was the added danger of crossing a road when you’re only 1m or so high and can’t dash out of the way. Also, around here dropped kerbs aren’t always opposite each other, so it can involve travelling along the road. Tricky especially if you’re taking your service dog for a walk and they are attached by lead to a certain side of your chair (rhs in my case, so if the pavement is on my left, the dog is right out towards the middle of the road)
Really Strudul , you’re coming across as a bit of an unthinking/uncaring idiot which I’m sure you’re not normally.
Was it your partners car?

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Monday 7th December 18:13

[gazza285]

Strudul said:

Surely someone in a wheelchair (or with a pushchair) can cross a road or go around a vehicle without any real trouble?

Surely someone with a car can find somewhere better to park it.

[stuartmmcfc]

stickleback123 said:

I try to generously think that the special ones are just too stupid and self obsessed to know what they're doing,

In all honesty I think this was the ladies problem. Her reaction and anger at not understanding why I couldn’t just go back and find a dropped kerb etc smacks of it.
Just to be clear, I don’t it’s always necessary to be a “special case”. I just think it’d be nice if we all treated each other with a bit of consideration.

[TVRBRZ]

[quote=stuartmmcfc]

Really Strudul , you’re coming across as a bit of an unthinking/uncaring idiot which I’m sure you’re not normally.
Was it your partners car?

Ouch. I think the Strudel just got burned!

[ChevronB19]

Strudul surely has to be a troll?

[Strudul]

stuartmmcfc said:

This all day long. The only thing you forgot was the added danger of crossing a road when you’re only 1m or so high and can’t dash out of the way. Also, around here dropped kerbs aren’t always opposite each other, so it can involve travelling along the road. Tricky especially if you’re taking your service dog for a walk and they are attached by lead to a certain side of your chair (rhs in my case, so if the pavement is on my left, the dog is right out towards the middle of the road)
Really Strudul , you’re coming across as a bit of an unthinking/uncaring idiot which I’m sure you’re not normally.
Was it your partners car?

Just keep seeing people getting crucified for it on here, but it's a regular daily occurrence that doesn't seem to cause any real problems, so was curious what all the fuss was about. Might not have picked the best example to pipe up, but I do genuinely think people (rightly or wrongly) park on the pavement to be considerate rather than as a malicious act against wheelchair users.

Still not really convinced it's as bad as people are making out. Chances are you're going to have to cross the road at some point on your journey, so presumably it's a completely manageable task., but do appreciate there's maybe more faff than i first thought.

I can't even drive onto a curb without trashing my cars bodywork, so at least I'm not a contributing factor.

[Vipers]

LochTay said:

My mum was in a wheelchair for the last few years of her life. She had two sets of stickers made up. "You have my parking space, perhaps you would like my disability too?" and "This vehicle is badly parked".

Both in yellow and black like a parking fine bag. Both on very sticky adhesive. Both took a few seconds to apply, to door, wing mirror etc even from her wheelchair.

Duct tape across the windsreen is better, its a bugger to get off, used daily in military establishments/

[Vipers]

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Strudul said:

I don't think people park on the pavement cos they are lazy, it's to minimise impeding traffic and the likelihood of their car being scraped by another vehicle.

Not near me they dont, its because basically they are ignorant and stupid, very low volume of traffic, some still park on the pavement, loads of room in the road, and one neighbor visitors insists in driving onto his driveway, and stop behing his car, which isnt designed for two cars, thus the rear end is blocking the paement 90%, usually when there is no other cars parked anywhere in the road. (posted some of them earlier in the thread).

[Alex@POD]

Strudul said:

Just keep seeing people getting crucified for it on here, but it's a regular daily occurrence that doesn't seem to cause any real problems, so was curious what all the fuss was about.

Probably because most of the time people park on the kerb to give an extra foot of space on the road, but leave plenty of kerb to be used? All the ones you see crucified on here are genuinely blocking the kerb...

[Lonely]

Strudul said:

stuartmmcfc said:

This all day long. The only thing you forgot was the added danger of crossing a road when you’re only 1m or so high and can’t dash out of the way. Also, around here dropped kerbs aren’t always opposite each other, so it can involve travelling along the road. Tricky especially if you’re taking your service dog for a walk and they are attached by lead to a certain side of your chair (rhs in my case, so if the pavement is on my left, the dog is right out towards the middle of the road)
Really Strudul , you’re coming across as a bit of an unthinking/uncaring idiot which I’m sure you’re not normally.
Was it your partners car?

Just keep seeing people getting crucified for it on here, but it's a regular daily occurrence that doesn't seem to cause any real problems, so was curious what all the fuss was about. Might not have picked the best example to pipe up, but I do genuinely think people (rightly or wrongly) park on the pavement to be considerate rather than as a malicious act against wheelchair users.

Still not really convinced it's as bad as people are making out. Chances are you're going to have to cross the road at some point on your journey, so presumably it's a completely manageable task., but do appreciate there's maybe more faff than i first thought.

I can't even drive onto a curb without trashing my cars bodywork, so at least I'm not a contributing factor.

First of all Kudos for returning to the debate after the volleys aimed at you!

My view on this issue is a general lack of understanding by the people parking. They simply do not consider all the potential problems that are caused by their actions.

It's not just with parking either - it's the way a large proportion of society is heading with a carefree attitude. "I'm alright Jack and don't care what others think" attitude.

It would be great if we had the police resources to educate these people with driver awareness courses as punishment. They could spend a few hours in a wheelchair or pushing a double buggy about and see how it feels when they encounter these selfish obstructions.