Cars that never sold well

Cars that never sold well

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Dazed and Confused

979 posts

83 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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Tankrizzo said:
Dazed and Confused said:
BMW i8
Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.
I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Dapster

6,992 posts

181 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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Audi's handsome C4 V8 from 1991 with the smooth 4.2 V8.

Sadly a sales flop due to having too much Audi 100 DNA, a huge price tag and little luxury credibility compared to the S Class, 7 Series and XJ.


JD66

159 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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Alfa 166, didn't sell many. Half the V plate ones seem to have been registered in the last week of February all on plates ending in JEU, just to make the numbers up for example. With them losing £50 a day in depreciation since new I'm not surprised. I'm Surprised about the Citroen XMs. There's 3 of them in our village and one night when they were all in the pub car park I was joking with the owners that we probably had all the surviving ones in Britain there, sounds like I wasn't far wrong. 2 of them were in the band that was performing that night and are regulars. One has a G reg hatch, the other a J reg estate. I think the other one was an R reg facelift but can't remember if it was a saloon or estate and think that might have belonged to another member of the band.

Dazed and Confused

979 posts

83 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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Dapster said:
Audi's handsome C4 V8 from 1991 with the smooth 4.2 V8.

Sadly a sales flop due to having too much Audi 100 DNA, a huge price tag and little luxury credibility compared to the S Class, 7 Series and XJ.

One for sale at a garage near me for not much money a couple of years ago. Hadn't seen one for a very long time.

billzeebub

3,865 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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mhurley said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Vauxhall Signum.
Good shout. Forgotten all about that one
Never understood where they were coming from with that car?! A premium top of the range car that looks almost identical to the lowly Astra. Weird marketing/design.

billzeebub

3,865 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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Dapster said:
Leins said:
darkyoung1000 said:
The Corrado is a car that VW would gladly write out of its history.
Not the sales success they were hoping for despite being a good car.
Tom
The UK was one of the better markets for the Corrado IIRC. Calibra sold much better though I think
It may well have sold poorly but history will record it as one of the finest front driven drivers cars ever. I can not think why it didn't sell better - perhaps because the Golf GTi offered so much for so much less - the Corrado was more cramped, more impractical and had a shallower boot, and cost more. Not even the intrigue of the G60 engine or the later VR6 would save it. I had a 16v 1990 in tornado red back in '96 and it was one of the best cars I've ever had.
Corrado a car that VW never really marketed and it was very expensive due to production costs etc. It was canned early as the vicious circle of too expensive and not selling enough struck it down. But mentioning the Calibra in the same breath is so wrong. The Corrado (particularly the VR6) was, and is, a brilliant characterful car

HTP99

22,629 posts

141 months

Thursday 29th June 2017
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billzeebub said:
mhurley said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Vauxhall Signum.
Good shout. Forgotten all about that one
Never understood where they were coming from with that car?! A premium top of the range car that looks almost identical to the lowly Astra. Weird marketing/design.
Vectra hatch and I believe it was available as a 4 seater too.

Veeayt

3,139 posts

206 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Dapster said:
Audi's handsome C4 V8 from 1991 with the smooth 4.2 V8.

Sadly a sales flop due to having too much Audi 100 DNA, a huge price tag and little luxury credibility compared to the S Class, 7 Series and XJ.

It's not a C4, and it was produced from 1988 to 1993, with factory designation D1/44. There were two V8's - 3.6 and 4.2. Favourite getaway car of Russian mafia in its time. Can be seen in recent 'Atomic blonde' movie with Charlise Theron.

Another example of badly sold car



Matt-il77s

330 posts

91 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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HTP99 said:
Vectra hatch and I believe it was available as a 4 seater too.
It was available as a 4 seater because of the massive ugly fridge they stuck in the middle, which was an extra very few people bought


mhurley

Original Poster:

823 posts

134 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Golf and Ford Focus Estates?


HTP99

22,629 posts

141 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Matt-il77s said:
HTP99 said:
Vectra hatch and I believe it was available as a 4 seater too.
It was available as a 4 seater because of the massive ugly fridge they stuck in the middle, which was an extra very few people bought

No doubt one of those wtf moments for dealer staff; some deluded high up bod at Vauxhall has decided and is convinced that "this will upset the established players, Vauxhall need this and it will work", it lands on dealer forecourts, all the dealers sigh and groan as they know that it won't go anywhere and will be a huge flop and is pointless.

6m down the line mass panic sets in at head office so every dealer is made to register a further 2 and every head office rep is given one as a company car, thus being hailed a relative sales success as in its first few months 1500 were registered; all to Vauxhall though!

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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HTP99 said:
No doubt one of those wtf moments for dealer staff; some deluded high up bod at Vauxhall has decided and is convinced that "this will upset the established players, Vauxhall need this and it will work", it lands on dealer forecourts, all the dealers sigh and groan as they know that it won't go anywhere and will be a huge flop and is pointless.

6m down the line mass panic sets in at head office so every dealer is made to register a further 2 and every head office rep is given one as a company car, thus being hailed a relative sales success as in its first few months 1500 were registered; all to Vauxhall though!
Yep, very strange car and idea. I always wondered if it was due to pressure from GM in Detroit - the Chevrolet Malibu Maxx was a similar idea that also sold badly.

I think it's basically like a Vectra estate on that longer wheelbase but with a shorter boot (I think the Vectra C estate had a longer wheelbase than saloon and hatch?) and with the option of individual rear seats and the fridge between them.

I think it was supposed to offer the rear seat comfort of the Omega Elite without designing a whole new car to replace the Omega

ToothbrushMan

1,770 posts

126 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Mondeo and Focus Vignales?

Dazed and Confused

979 posts

83 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
HTP99 said:
No doubt one of those wtf moments for dealer staff; some deluded high up bod at Vauxhall has decided and is convinced that "this will upset the established players, Vauxhall need this and it will work", it lands on dealer forecourts, all the dealers sigh and groan as they know that it won't go anywhere and will be a huge flop and is pointless.

6m down the line mass panic sets in at head office so every dealer is made to register a further 2 and every head office rep is given one as a company car, thus being hailed a relative sales success as in its first few months 1500 were registered; all to Vauxhall though!
Yep, very strange car and idea. I always wondered if it was due to pressure from GM in Detroit - the Chevrolet Malibu Maxx was a similar idea that also sold badly.

I think it's basically like a Vectra estate on that longer wheelbase but with a shorter boot (I think the Vectra C estate had a longer wheelbase than saloon and hatch?) and with the option of individual rear seats and the fridge between them.

I think it was supposed to offer the rear seat comfort of the Omega Elite without designing a whole new car to replace the Omega
I really don't think the Signum was the flop people are making out. Always used to see a few around and there's 50 for sale on AT at the moment, 22 Citroen C6s by way of comparison.


Edited by Dazed and Confused on Friday 30th June 07:44

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Dazed and Confused said:
I really don't think the Signum was the flop people are making out. Always used to see a few around and there's 50 for sale on AT at the moment, 22 Citroen C6s by way of comparison.


Edited by Dazed and Confused on Friday 30th June 07:44
Also worth remembering is that it was pretty much a Vectra estate with some changes at the rear, unlike the C6 that was a uniquely designed car. Minimal tooling and development costs I suppose?

They probably didn't need or expect to sell too many

culpz

4,884 posts

113 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Swole said:
Talking about the R specifically, perhaps a pain for some was that the Scirocco R was FWD only so many would go for the Golf R.

This said, I don't find people loving the 2010-2012 (MK6?) Golf R much either. I've seen three on the road, ever.
True. Used Scirocco R's are starting to look like a bargain now because of it, especially in comparison to the equivalent Golf.

Yeah, the Golf 6R do appear to be very rare. If you look at their values though, many are just under 20k, which is silly as the 7R, which is probably better in every way, have come down to about the same price but for a much newer and improved car. Obviously, that's to do with all the cheap lease deals.

schmunk

4,399 posts

126 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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ToothbrushMan said:
Mondeo and Focus Vignales?
There isn't (and hasn't been) a Focus Vignale model on sale, so no wonder you haven't seen many...

HTP99

22,629 posts

141 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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schmunk said:
ToothbrushMan said:
Mondeo and Focus Vignales?
There isn't (and hasn't been) a Focus Vignale model on sale, so no wonder you haven't seen many...
LOl, when I read that I did think "Focus?!".

However Vignale will no doubt be quietly dropped, I have a Ford garage near me, they do sell Vignale as I've had a poke about in one in the showroom; I was ignored, I have never seen one on the road.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Dazed and Confused said:
Tankrizzo said:
Dazed and Confused said:
BMW i8
Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.
I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.
Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 30th June 2017
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Veeayt said:
Another example of badly sold car

Really? Did you understand the question?