RE: Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - official!
Discussion
RacerMike said:
You could class one of my friends as a collector and enthusiast. He's had a few GT Porsches, and of course enjoys the fact he's not losing money on them, but still drives them. Just because someone buys something and is attracted because they appreciate, doesn't mean they aren't car enthusiasts!
From what you've said I agree that your friend sounds like an enthusiast as he probably primarily bought the cars to drive and was canny so he chose a model that doesn't depreciate. On the other hand people who are likely to buy this XE will garage it and try and turn a profit, which as we all agree on here is "not Pistonheaderish(!)".Andy665 said:
I thought this was an enthusiasts forum - seems like an awful lot of moaning and whinging
Look where Jaguar has come in the last 20 years - a real transformation
The level of differentiation between this car and the regular XE is far greater than that between an M4 and M4 GTS
If this had a German badge on the nose people would be gushing and fawning all over it - because its Jaguar people snipe
Sure, its a vanity halo project, just like the Black series, the GTS cars etc - and none the worse for it. Jaguar is booming, confident and that helps secure British jobs and provides more choice in a market dominated by German brands - why the b
hing?
This is the pistonheads forum not a car enthusiast forum as such but a forum of mainly hypocritical know it all’sLook where Jaguar has come in the last 20 years - a real transformation
The level of differentiation between this car and the regular XE is far greater than that between an M4 and M4 GTS
If this had a German badge on the nose people would be gushing and fawning all over it - because its Jaguar people snipe
Sure, its a vanity halo project, just like the Black series, the GTS cars etc - and none the worse for it. Jaguar is booming, confident and that helps secure British jobs and provides more choice in a market dominated by German brands - why the b
hing?If you read the comments in any every other thread then you will see mucho bashing of everything
Actually, the bashing of this is very mild, I feel it is very under-bashed compared to lots of cars – i.e. – any BMW or Porsche
Personally I have to admit I’m a bit disappointed with this Jag.
As other said and they are just stating the facts: it’s far too expensive [in the preview articles before the details announced Autocar guessed it would be twice the price of an XE-S so about 90k] , too heavy plus I think it looks silly. It’s tacky, the holes in the front bumper are like some max power special. If this was competing with a Evo X FQ400 then fair enough, but its 150k car
And people are right to complain about the weight, it’s too heavy – 200 less KG would make it handle and brake much better, and at 150k it should be a lot lighter – an M4 GTS for example weighs approx. 1585kg
I know the C class Black series are very expensive also – although not as expensive as this– but at least they look the part – it may be a bit OTT but looks mean and aggressive at the same time. This jag looks a bit plain silly in comparison.
Personally I’d rather have a standard M3 or C63, I’d be embarrassed drive that thing with the silly holes in the bumper and ironing board back spoiler
Not that this matters, this LHD only car is not for driving, but for parking beside gold wrapped Veyron’s etc so who cares
RacerMike said:
Looking forward to buying your next 1.4l econobox?
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at? Presumably if Jaguar / BMW don't make overpriced rubbish like this then we will all have to buy econoboxes in future? There is a thriving "middle ground" where you can buy a fabulous car for half the price of what they're charging.High Roller said:
RacerMike said:
Looking forward to buying your next 1.4l econobox?
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at? Presumably if Jaguar / BMW don't make overpriced rubbish like this then we will all have to buy econoboxes in future? There is a thriving "middle ground" where you can buy a fabulous car for half the price of what they're charging.RacerMike said:
And the XE is 700bhp and will make you £40k.....
The XE is aimed at collectors and enthusiasts. I'm pretty sure if you haven't received an invite to buy one, you won't be getting one!
I am not sure it will fetch overs my self, they were not all pre sold either, you can prob still buy one today if you wish.The XE is aimed at collectors and enthusiasts. I'm pretty sure if you haven't received an invite to buy one, you won't be getting one!
M4 GTS is about list and loads for sale. M4 DTM is a bit over but none selling 2nd hand, 6 from the 28 are for sale.
this is not a cool car as staring point, it's a 75 year olds £28k fuddy duddy car, why bling that ?
Project 8 at £150k plus track pack is not a collectors car what ever spin one puts on it.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 28th June 16:40
AshBurrows said:
The bumpers are hideous and the rear door line hilarious.
Absolutely gutted it's LHD only, limited and 4WD only. Genuinely hoped for a legit M3/63/QV competitor.
Same. I've held on for nearly a year but gave up on Jag and ordered a QV instead. Maybe Alfa will bring out a GTA version one day to make this look as stupid as it sounds. Absolutely gutted it's LHD only, limited and 4WD only. Genuinely hoped for a legit M3/63/QV competitor.
John Edwards, who runs SVO, is interviewed in the Autocar and is open about the purpose of this car. He says it is a halo for the XE, a halo for Jaguar and helps build the SVO brand. SVO is now three years old. The 300 to be built is, apparently, capacity limited. He says that customers of the Project 7 have been asking about the next project.
Provided he has done his sums correctly and sells the 300 units without too much hassle, then this seems a good use of SVO resources. And, as he put it, it is a "fun" project to do. He probably has one of the best jobs around in the industry. Good luck to him and all at SVO.
Provided he has done his sums correctly and sells the 300 units without too much hassle, then this seems a good use of SVO resources. And, as he put it, it is a "fun" project to do. He probably has one of the best jobs around in the industry. Good luck to him and all at SVO.
Porsche911R said:
I am not sure it will fetch overs my self, they were not all pre sold either, you can prob still buy one today if you wish.
M4 GTS is about list and loads for sale. M4 DTM is a bit over but none selling 2nd hand, 6 from the 28 are for sale.
this is not a cool car as staring point, it's a 75 year old £48k fuddy duddy car, why bling that ?
Project 8 at £150k plus track pack is not a collectors car what ever spin one puts on it.
The 3 series wasn't cool when it started. The C-class certainly wasn't and I'm not sure is now eitherM4 GTS is about list and loads for sale. M4 DTM is a bit over but none selling 2nd hand, 6 from the 28 are for sale.
this is not a cool car as staring point, it's a 75 year old £48k fuddy duddy car, why bling that ?
Project 8 at £150k plus track pack is not a collectors car what ever spin one puts on it.
Show a picture of a 316 and non-one's going to go weak at the knees over it are they?
Labelling the XE as a 75 year old fuddy duddy car is short sighted and frankly stupid....a daft Clarkson-ism.
we all know where it comes from, the same place as rusty Italian and unreliable French, no-indicator BMWs, Audi-driving-cock etc etc...yawn.
Other than, yep, you'd have to be certifiable to spend that much on this
RacerMike said:
Well...it takes a lot of effort and a lot of risk for car companies to create cars like this. It'll be a sad day when no one makes stuff like this any more, and instead we're all doomed to drive round in an 'it gets me from a to b' pos Vauxhall Corsa.....
I agree and applaud some of the specials manufacturers have made. I just think the two cars I've mentioned, plus some of the ridiculous multi-million pound Lambos, etc, are specifically aimed at investors which leaves me coldQuickmoose said:
The 3 series wasn't cool when it started. The C-class certainly wasn't and I'm not sure is now either
Show a picture of a 316 and non-one's going to go weak at the knees over it are they?
Labelling the XE as a 75 year old fuddy duddy car is short sighted and frankly stupid....a daft Clarkson-ism.
we all know where it comes from, the same place as rusty Italian and unreliable French, no-indicator BMWs, Audi-driving-cock etc etc...yawn.
Other than, yep, you'd have to be certifiable to spend that much on this
have you seen many 30 year olds in the Xe then ?Show a picture of a 316 and non-one's going to go weak at the knees over it are they?
Labelling the XE as a 75 year old fuddy duddy car is short sighted and frankly stupid....a daft Clarkson-ism.
we all know where it comes from, the same place as rusty Italian and unreliable French, no-indicator BMWs, Audi-driving-cock etc etc...yawn.
Other than, yep, you'd have to be certifiable to spend that much on this
I see loads in 4 series BMW's
Hugely entertaining thread, especially with 40% of commentators rolling out the ubiquitous 'what's the point of this' response.
This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
Cotic said:
Hugely entertaining thread, especially with 40% of commentators rolling out the ubiquitous 'what's the point of this' response.
This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
I'm not sure that by attracting widespread criticism, such as "too heavy", "overpriced" and "ugly" this model's launch could be considered a success! If negative feedback was a good thing we'd all be driving Gemballas.This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
Cotic said:
Hugely entertaining thread, especially with 40% of commentators rolling out the ubiquitous 'what's the point of this' response.
This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
Erm, you know this isn't Youtube don't you? JLR don't get money for clicks or views on this thread? :;This thread is now at 120 comments (and rising), which is entirely the point of this car. Well done for all those that really don't like it, for contributing to its success!
The absolute worst response for JLR here is for this to be completely ignored. See the accompanying Rolls-Royce Black Dawn article with (at the time of writing) 11 comments. Who's the winner here, I wonder?
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Bet there's a waiting list and premium...Porsche911R said:
have you seen many 30 year olds in the Xe then ?
I see loads in 4 series BMW's
to be fair I don't spend any portion of my time studying other men and what they drive....be interesting to get the facts though... to see exactly the proportion of 20-30-40-50 and 75 year olds and who owns what.I see loads in 4 series BMW's
Not that for me that represents anything.
Today's 30 year olds (if they have an interest in what they drive), probably want RWD, see BMW as a some sort of status symbol and think Clarkson is the last word in what is and isn't 'cool'.
They have no time for what Jag has been and hopefully will become again...
As some have said, if this was produced by Porsche or BMW there would be a lot more expressions of undying lust on here.
Yes it's heavy, yes the fear doors are possibly superfluous (so why not blend them in to the body, ditch the window and lock fittings and stick lexan in?) etc etc, but the subversive part of me wants to ask; if we achieve Brexit can we then stick 2 fingers up to the muesli-treading yoghurt-weavers from the EU and tell them where to stick their Euro 6 compliance?
Could we then build more cars like this, and have large capacity behemoths stalking the Queens Highways hunting down Emissions-fiddling VAG group cars?
Just a thought, as I vainly hoped that's what we would be able to do when I voted 'Leave'...
Back to my padded cell now...
Yes it's heavy, yes the fear doors are possibly superfluous (so why not blend them in to the body, ditch the window and lock fittings and stick lexan in?) etc etc, but the subversive part of me wants to ask; if we achieve Brexit can we then stick 2 fingers up to the muesli-treading yoghurt-weavers from the EU and tell them where to stick their Euro 6 compliance?
Could we then build more cars like this, and have large capacity behemoths stalking the Queens Highways hunting down Emissions-fiddling VAG group cars?
Just a thought, as I vainly hoped that's what we would be able to do when I voted 'Leave'...
Back to my padded cell now...
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