RE: Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - official!
Discussion
PH/JLR said:
with genuine downforce
If that car produces net positive downforce at any speed i'll eat my hat!Sure, that rear wing could be set at an angle of attack that really loads the back, but then the car would be a pig at high speed due to the front rear imbalance, so they are going to run the wing at a much lower AOA (which also means it can do 200mph due to less drag) to balance the aero contribution, but that means, being a typical 3 box saloon car, the body shape will be producing something like 300 or more kg of lift at 186mph! And without a rolling floor full scale tunnel, no amount of uncorrelated CFD is going to help!
Still despite being a massive
Kenny Powers said:
Bespoke rear doors is a big deal from an engineering perspective. The door lines at Solihull are not capable of producing aluminium items, and definitely not ones of a different shape. Either these are reworked and reskinned standard rear doors, or they are fabricating them in an entire custom facility. There goes most of the £150k right there.
The different rear quarter bodyside is more likely to fit through the standard lines, but also more likely to be custom reworked after the standard body-in-white is complete. I can guarantee that the majority of the exotic price tag for this vehicle comes from the custom bodywork and doors.
Project8 is going to be hand built from the wheels up at SVO's new facility at Oxford Road, not along the regular XE production line. As you point out, the rear doors are unique to Project8 and made from aluminium, as are the rear wings (with 55mm arch extensions). The different rear quarter bodyside is more likely to fit through the standard lines, but also more likely to be custom reworked after the standard body-in-white is complete. I can guarantee that the majority of the exotic price tag for this vehicle comes from the custom bodywork and doors.
The front bonnet, wings and bumper are also unique to Project8 and fashioned from carbon fibre. Creating all of this bespoke bodywork on a car with a production run of just 300 units is expensive and that's before you get to costing out the unique engine spec, suspension components and drivetrain..
M4SER said:
Kenny Powers said:
Bespoke rear doors is a big deal from an engineering perspective. The door lines at Solihull are not capable of producing aluminium items, and definitely not ones of a different shape. Either these are reworked and reskinned standard rear doors, or they are fabricating them in an entire custom facility. There goes most of the £150k right there.
The different rear quarter bodyside is more likely to fit through the standard lines, but also more likely to be custom reworked after the standard body-in-white is complete. I can guarantee that the majority of the exotic price tag for this vehicle comes from the custom bodywork and doors.
Project8 is going to be hand built from the wheels up at SVO's new facility at Oxford Road, not along the regular XE production line. As you point out, the rear doors are unique to Project8 and made from aluminium, as are the rear wings (with 55mm arch extensions). The different rear quarter bodyside is more likely to fit through the standard lines, but also more likely to be custom reworked after the standard body-in-white is complete. I can guarantee that the majority of the exotic price tag for this vehicle comes from the custom bodywork and doors.
The front bonnet, wings and bumper are also unique to Project8 and fashioned from carbon fibre. Creating all of this bespoke bodywork on a car with a production run of just 300 units is expensive and that's before you get to costing out the unique engine spec, suspension components and drivetrain..
Max_Torque said:
Still despite being a massive white orange elephant it's a likeable one just for the fact they've actually gone ahead and made it ;-)
Why is it a massive Orange Elephant ?We are talking about it, I expect they will sell, generates column inches in magazines, my dog is enthusiastic about it, my Autocar arrived just a few minutes back and he was all over it, to be fair he does that very week but he did seem enthusiastic.
Hopefully it paves the way for a normal high powered XE being added to the range.
Not sure why Mercedes having a model with similar stats means Jag are late to the party, the new E63 only emerged a few months back and perhaps folk want an element of choice ? XE is a size down, being a 3 series rival, and its also 130 kilos lighter, 1750 vs 1880 kilos.
Thumbs up Jaguar! What a cool bit of kit, people will moan (they always do, unless it wears a Porsche badge!) but credit to them for making it, the cost probably does reflect the amount of bespoke work over the standard model. Shame about the LHD only but I guess that is mainly the markets it will go to. Would very much like a RHD dark green one, without the rear wing (screw lap times) with the buckets in the front but keeping the rear seats, for a kind of hard as nails family saloon! I might also need to win the lottery first to, but minor details. Well done Jaguar!
Max_Torque said:
Sure, that rear wing could be set at an angle of attack that really loads the back, but then the car would be a pig at high speed due to the front rear imbalance, so they are going to run the wing at a much lower AOA (which also means it can do 200mph due to less drag) to balance the aero contribution, but that means, being a typical 3 box saloon car, the body shape will be producing something like 300 or more kg of lift at 186mph! And without a rolling floor full scale tunnel, no amount of uncorrelated CFD is going to help!
Still despite being a massive white orange elephant it's a likeable one just for the fact they've actually gone ahead and made it ;-)
The front aero is adjustable too. For max downforce you angle the rear wing AND extend the front splitter, to balance the additional downforce front and rear. If you're going to Goodwood this weekend, the engineers behind Project8 will be on hand to discuss this in more detail. Still despite being a massive
I thought this was an enthusiasts forum - seems like an awful lot of moaning and whinging
Look where Jaguar has come in the last 20 years - a real transformation
The level of differentiation between this car and the regular XE is far greater than that between an M4 and M4 GTS
If this had a German badge on the nose people would be gushing and fawning all over it - because its Jaguar people snipe
Sure, its a vanity halo project, just like the Black series, the GTS cars etc - and none the worse for it. Jaguar is booming, confident and that helps secure British jobs and provides more choice in a market dominated by German brands - why the b
hing?
Look where Jaguar has come in the last 20 years - a real transformation
The level of differentiation between this car and the regular XE is far greater than that between an M4 and M4 GTS
If this had a German badge on the nose people would be gushing and fawning all over it - because its Jaguar people snipe
Sure, its a vanity halo project, just like the Black series, the GTS cars etc - and none the worse for it. Jaguar is booming, confident and that helps secure British jobs and provides more choice in a market dominated by German brands - why the b
hing?Max_Torque said:
PH/JLR said:
with genuine downforce
If that car produces net positive downforce at any speed i'll eat my hat!Sure, that rear wing could be set at an angle of attack that really loads the back, but then the car would be a pig at high speed due to the front rear imbalance, so they are going to run the wing at a much lower AOA (which also means it can do 200mph due to less drag) to balance the aero contribution, but that means, being a typical 3 box saloon car, the body shape will be producing something like 300 or more kg of lift at 186mph! And without a rolling floor full scale tunnel, no amount of uncorrelated CFD is going to help!
Still despite being a massive
bmw320ci said:
GranCab said:
Ohh look - a 600+ BHP 4 door 4WD saloon (also available in RHD) for circa £90K - sorry Jag you are late to the party.
Yea and it wont breakdown either!!!Jaguars are rusty, badly made BL tat ? maybe in 1988
But you cant beat a bit of 30 year old conceived wisdom,
I like Jag's, the XE and XJ are a much better drivers cars (and better lookers) than the German and Jap rivals. Jaguar is creative.
But surely when making a track car you make it a light a possible so you don't have to overrate other components to compensate.
Anyway I'm happy this exists. Its mad.
For those who would like it to be RHD, 2 doors and be 500Kg lighter then wait for the new TVR.
But surely when making a track car you make it a light a possible so you don't have to overrate other components to compensate.
Anyway I'm happy this exists. Its mad.
For those who would like it to be RHD, 2 doors and be 500Kg lighter then wait for the new TVR.
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