RE: Aston Martin DB11 V8!
Discussion
erics said:
i just don't see the point of this range. They should offer just one engine and be done with it.
They are too close both in specs and price. So much engineering effort for not a lot of difference in the grand scheme of things.
It's just wierd.
Tell that to Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Bentley, etcThey are too close both in specs and price. So much engineering effort for not a lot of difference in the grand scheme of things.
It's just wierd.
I could understand if they put this engine in the DB11 AFTER they launch the new Vantage with this engine in, but not before. Anyone who buys a new Vantage will surely be dogged by 'oooh didn't fancy/couldn't afford the DB11 then?'
If you look at Bentley and Ferrari who have both done the V12 and V8 engine in the same model trick before, they launched the V12 engine first then a year or more later slotted a V8 in to make a lighter, sportier version which may happen to fall into different emissions/tax brackets around the world.
If you look at Bentley and Ferrari who have both done the V12 and V8 engine in the same model trick before, they launched the V12 engine first then a year or more later slotted a V8 in to make a lighter, sportier version which may happen to fall into different emissions/tax brackets around the world.
Guvernator said:
Excuse my ignorance but what makes it a "hot V"?
The exhaust manifolds are sited within the middle of the "V" rather than it being the more conventional location of the inlets. This application houses a couple of turbos too, so it's a bit cramped but does seem to offer performance advantages once the heat management obstacles have been solved.
Cold said:
Guvernator said:
Excuse my ignorance but what makes it a "hot V"?
The exhaust manifolds are sited within the middle of the "V" rather than it being the more conventional location of the inlets. This application houses a couple of turbos too, so it's a bit cramped but does seem to offer performance advantages once the heat management obstacles have been solved.
It's certainly the best I have seen the DB11 look, if you ignore the interior colour of course. The only design feature that jars is the panel directly behind the front wheel. The overall design is one of elegant, swooping lines which for some reason they have broken up with an aggressive, angular panel just in one place. It really doesn't work for me.
I can see in principle why having less weight, lower down and further back would appeal to anyone looking for a keener drive but isn't that largely an irrelevance in a car that has been outlined as an out and out grand tourer? It's not all of a sudden going to be a nimble, agile sports car compared to the V12 and it's not really the remit of the car in the first place? On the other hand it's always nice to have options and it is a very good engine in it's own right. Be interested in the inevitable back to back comparisons when they happen.
I can see in principle why having less weight, lower down and further back would appeal to anyone looking for a keener drive but isn't that largely an irrelevance in a car that has been outlined as an out and out grand tourer? It's not all of a sudden going to be a nimble, agile sports car compared to the V12 and it's not really the remit of the car in the first place? On the other hand it's always nice to have options and it is a very good engine in it's own right. Be interested in the inevitable back to back comparisons when they happen.
MrScrot said:
FN2TypeR said:
MrScrot said:
Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.
What nonsense
FN2TypeR said:
MrScrot said:
FN2TypeR said:
MrScrot said:
Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.
What nonsense
Yes, there are plenty of engineers in Britain who could do that, but do you expect Aston Martin to fund the development and production of that? What about where their engines ultimately came from in the DB9?
I don't think 99% of buyers will care where the engine is made. And in terms of relative price to the V12, if I was a potential buyer I'd be asking the dealer what extra does the V12 give me for my extra 13K? Just being a V12 wouldn't mean anything to me unless it was noticeably faster or smoother or some such tangible benefit.
AlexHat said:
I could understand if they put this engine in the DB11 AFTER they launch the new Vantage with this engine in, but not before. Anyone who buys a new Vantage will surely be dogged by 'oooh didn't fancy/couldn't afford the DB11 then?'
If you look at Bentley and Ferrari who have both done the V12 and V8 engine in the same model trick before, they launched the V12 engine first then a year or more later slotted a V8 in to make a lighter, sportier version which may happen to fall into different emissions/tax brackets around the world.
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Your second paragraph verifies that Aston have followed the same tried and tested route of Bentley, and now Ferrari.If you look at Bentley and Ferrari who have both done the V12 and V8 engine in the same model trick before, they launched the V12 engine first then a year or more later slotted a V8 in to make a lighter, sportier version which may happen to fall into different emissions/tax brackets around the world.
In answer to your first paragraph, it makes sense to launch the engine in a more expensive model prior to a new Vantage...it's called the halo effect. It endows the cheaper model with more gravitas whilst not devaluing the more expensive one.
Also, what kind of prick would say "ooh, couldn't afford a more expensive Aston then?" Answer: no one worth talking to.
Sine Metu said:
I don't think 99% of buyers will care where the engine is made. And in terms of relative price to the V12, if I was a potential buyer I'd be asking the dealer what extra does the V12 give me for my extra 13K? Just being a V12 wouldn't mean anything to me unless it was noticeably faster or smoother or some such tangible benefit.
But it is faster and smoother..... 
I've been fortunate enough to drive several V8 cars and a couple of V12s, and whilst it'd be absurd to say V8s are rough, V12s are noticeably smoother.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Approx 8% cheaper than the v12? Why would anyone bother. You will always feel inadequate when you pull up next to the big boy's version with 50% more cylinders, and a real Aston motor. Massive fail.
Not really. If the car's dynamics are different due to the lighter weight and different weight distribution - then there could be a valid argument for having one over the other.We bought a V8V over a DB9 for exactly that reason - the Vantage just drives better. I don't feel inadequate at all when I see a DB9 on the road........all I think is "i'm glad i'm not driving that sofa". Cost didn't factor into the decision at all - it was all about the drive (I preferred the V12V over the DBS for the same reason).
Personally though - i'd probably hold out for the new Vantage as it's like to drive even better.
ken AMG.Really want to love this as I've been a huge fan of Astons for as long as I can remember. However despite seeing this shape in photos and in the metal in a variety of colour combinations I just find the shape really awkward. Somehow the car always looks like it's on tiptoes and the classic Aston proportions are missing.
The DB9 is a much more elegant design. Let's hope the new Vantage is better.
The DB9 is a much more elegant design. Let's hope the new Vantage is better.
Moonhawk said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Approx 8% cheaper than the v12? Why would anyone bother. You will always feel inadequate when you pull up next to the big boy's version with 50% more cylinders, and a real Aston motor. Massive fail.
Not really. If the car's dynamics are different due to the lighter weight and different weight distribution - then there could be a valid argument for having one over the other.We bought a V8V over a DB9 for exactly that reason - the Vantage just drives better. I don't feel inadequate at all when I see a DB9 on the road........all I think is "i'm glad i'm not driving that sofa". Cost didn't factor into the decision at all - it was all about the drive (I preferred the V12V over the DBS for the same reason).
Personally though - i'd probably hold out for the new Vantage as it's like to drive even better.
Raudus42 said:
Fetchez la vache said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You will always feel inadequate when you pull up next to the big boy's version with 50% more cylinders, and a real Aston motor. Massive fail.
I'll never understand this kind of shallow, small dicked comment.Would a VW golf 1.9d driver feel adequate at the lights next to a r?
Would a Bentley CGT V8 driver feel adequate at the lights next to a W12?
ffs...
Aston know what they're doing when it comes to offering V8s next to V12s - been doing it for years. I'd wager that when the DB11 Volante comes out, more will be spec'd with the V12, whereas more coupes will be V8s.
DB9VolanteDriver...you're coming at it from a poseurs perspective rather than a driver focused one.
Edit: Also, V8s to me are real Aston engines...I grew up loving the V8 and V8 Vantage of the 70s and 80s. Big burbling muscle car sounding engines.
Edited by Raudus42 on Wednesday 28th June 15:42
Edited by Raudus42 on Wednesday 28th June 16:47
DB9VolanteDriver said:
However, an AMG V8 is not an Aston engine, so fail. If Aston had turbo'd their own v8, no problem....
Despite convoluted protestations from other posters, the current/about-to-be-obsolete V8 is a Ford engine with modifications to Aston's parameters. It's not an Aston engine, never has been. DB9VolanteDriver said:
Apples and oranges. A DB9 and a Vantage are not the same car with a different motor. So, how do you feel when you see a V12V? Admit it, you hanker for that bad boy.
I do - but not just because it's got a bigger engine. A lot of stuff on the V12 is better than the V8 and the V12 drives even better.I have driven a V12V back to back with a DBS (arguably the more desirable of the two) - yet i'd take a V12V any day of the week.
Cold said:
Guvernator said:
Excuse my ignorance but what makes it a "hot V"?
The exhaust manifolds are sited within the middle of the "V" rather than it being the more conventional location of the inlets. This application houses a couple of turbos too, so it's a bit cramped but does seem to offer performance advantages once the heat management obstacles have been solved.
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