Driving on the motorway/ Keeping left
Discussion
TarpaTow said:
I agree most people can't drive.
As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
exelero said:
I do wonder if the coppers give a s
t about it? Any policemen here?
Some do. NSFW!t about it? Any policemen here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dL4DPm-DE
To be quite honest, and i'm not saying that one is better/worse than the other, but every time i seem to do some kind of motorway journey, i appear to encounter way more right-lane hoggers than middle-lane ones.
It's extremely frustrating regardless. It completely disturbs and interrupts a nice steady flow of acceptable speed and sensible overtakes. It only really takes one or two of these types for it to become an absolute shambles.
It's extremely frustrating regardless. It completely disturbs and interrupts a nice steady flow of acceptable speed and sensible overtakes. It only really takes one or two of these types for it to become an absolute shambles.
matchmaker said:
exelero said:
I do wonder if the coppers give a st about it? Any policemen here?
Some do. NSFW!t about it? Any policemen here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dL4DPm-DE
The problem is when does one become a lane hog?
That depends on opinion.
I think we probably all agree that the car that brake tested the Police car was, but some here will say the Police car was (he wasn't performing an overtake but was in lane 3), whilst others will say he wasn't (he was in lane 3 waiting to overtake the car in front of him rather than pass it on the nearside).
gavsdavs said:
TarpaTow said:
I agree most people can't drive.
As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
Boosted LS1 said:
Prohibiting said:
Hainey said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Shore said:
That's where the old undertake and brake test come into play. Ronnie Pickering would do the same.
Who's he?ker legend! 
Fat knob in a Picasso. Top entertainment!
vonhosen said:
matchmaker said:
exelero said:
I do wonder if the coppers give a st about it? Any policemen here?
Some do. NSFW!t about it? Any policemen here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dL4DPm-DE
The problem is when does one become a lane hog?
That depends on opinion.
I think we probably all agree that the car that brake tested the Police car was, but some here will say the Police car was (he wasn't performing an overtake but was in lane 3), whilst others will say he wasn't (he was in lane 3 waiting to overtake the car in front of him rather than pass it on the nearside).
Cameras and stuff are not much use here and patrols sitting on the motorway trying to enforce this kind of stuff is unrealistic.
This is one of my biggest bugbears of modern motoring. It's annoying, obstructive and just downright inconsiderate. But then, far too many UK drivers seem to drive without a single care for how their actions affect others.
If it is a spoof, it's extremely well prepared. Check out car history of Tarpa and feast your eyes.It's definitely a spoof, I remember the first time I saw one of his posts and couldn't believe it before it dawned on me. What's TarpaTow backwards?
Pretty amusing though, although depressingly you can kind of seeing it being a genuine opinion
gavsdavs said:
TarpaTow said:
I agree most people can't drive.
As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. As a BM driver I'm probably more aware of it than drivers of other cars, and probably you, as they're obviously not in as quick cars. As a finance guy in the financial heart of the country, I spend a lot of time on M3, M25 and M4, mainly in the fast lane as I'm invariably on my way to important meetings with influential clients who aren't going to be impressed if I'm late. Time's money in business, ask any successful entrepreneur.
When I started driving a few years ago, I'd always move out of the way for things like BMs and Lamborghinis as you knew they were being piloted by people with important things to do.
Now I've managed to get seated in a BM myself it's obvious they just don't realise what's right behind them, surely the 2 kidney grilles are enough to project exactly what's behind them. Why can't they get out of the way, even headlamps full on don't make much difference. It's really frustrating that people driving normal white goods stuff, like Fords, Vauxhalls, old blokes in Jags etc, cars which aren't decent performance cars, think they've got the power to just remain in the fast lane.
BMs are specifically designed to be run at high speed on continental motorways, other cars aren't, so why don't their drivers accept this. It needs a FB campaign.
A bit like lanes for cars with 2 or more occupants, they ought to only allow certain performance models in the fast lane, like BMs, Lambos, Ferraris etc. Easy to control with cameras.
Pretty amusing though, although depressingly you can kind of seeing it being a genuine opinion
My colleague was out on a test drive on Saturday, they were going along at 60 in lane 1 of a relatively empty A3, she immediately pulled into lane 3 and sped up to 70.
My colleague asked why she had pulled into lane 3 and sped up when it was clear ahead in lane 1, she said "I wanted to see what it was like at speed so have gone into the fast lane"
My colleague asked why she had pulled into lane 3 and sped up when it was clear ahead in lane 1, she said "I wanted to see what it was like at speed so have gone into the fast lane"
culpz said:
To be quite honest, and i'm not saying that one is better/worse than the other, but every time i seem to do some kind of motorway journey, i appear to encounter way more right-lane hoggers than middle-lane ones.
It's extremely frustrating regardless. It completely disturbs and interrupts a nice steady flow of acceptable speed and sensible overtakes. It only really takes one or two of these types for it to become an absolute shambles.
In view of the increasing number of cretinous and ignorant MLMs and OLMs, we simply need to reverse the role of lane discipline.It's extremely frustrating regardless. It completely disturbs and interrupts a nice steady flow of acceptable speed and sensible overtakes. It only really takes one or two of these types for it to become an absolute shambles.
So keep right having 'undertaken', .....or rather 'overtaken'. The outer lane is the new inner lane.
Plod would be proud.
The M25 and M40 are, for me, the most ill disciplined motorways. Sure you can witness the MLMs on most roads but they appear to be endemic on these two motorways. I learned my lesson many moons ago when I was commuting weekly from Cambridgeshire down to near Portsmouth. Travelling back on Fridays was a complete hassle and the jostling twixt lanes 2 & 3 (now lanes 3 & 4) was just soul destroying. Until I noticed that trucks in lane 1 when I joined the M25 from the M3 were still 'alongside' by the M4 and from the M40 junction onwards they would inexorably pull ahead and be well out of sight by the M1 junction.
So I joined them. It worked.
On any motorway now if either very lightly or very heavily congested then lane 1 is the way to go. Perversely, for medium congestion then lanes 2, 3 & 4 still hold sway . . . . . but for how much longer?
So I joined them. It worked.
On any motorway now if either very lightly or very heavily congested then lane 1 is the way to go. Perversely, for medium congestion then lanes 2, 3 & 4 still hold sway . . . . . but for how much longer?
It's endemic across the network.
Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
Uncle John said:
It's endemic across the network.
Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
This has hit the nail on the head. EDUCATION.!! How you can go out and get your license without even driving on the motorway is absurd. The fastest roads in the country and you can your license without even setting foot on them. Before you get a license we should have mandatory amount of time on a motorway so people can learn proper rules and lane discipline. Until this becomes part of learning and even part of driving test things won't get any better. Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
Someone needs to develop a special asphalt compound that has all the properties of standard asphalt, but which somehow generates more tyre noise the slower you travel over it. Surface lane 1 with normal, nice, quiet asphalt, then cover the other lanes with the newer, noisier compound which is only as quiet if you are travelling at higher speeds.
So if you want to cruise along at 65MPH, you'll get your ears raped, unless you keep to the left hand lane. If you want to venture into the outside lanes without ear defenders, you'll need to increase your speed, therefore not holding up the traffic behind you anyway.
Silly I know, but it's either that or trained marksmen on every motorway gantry
So if you want to cruise along at 65MPH, you'll get your ears raped, unless you keep to the left hand lane. If you want to venture into the outside lanes without ear defenders, you'll need to increase your speed, therefore not holding up the traffic behind you anyway.
Silly I know, but it's either that or trained marksmen on every motorway gantry
smit8361 said:
Uncle John said:
It's endemic across the network.
Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
This has hit the nail on the head. EDUCATION.!! How you can go out and get your license without even driving on the motorway is absurd. The fastest roads in the country and you can your license without even setting foot on them. Before you get a license we should have mandatory amount of time on a motorway so people can learn proper rules and lane discipline. Until this becomes part of learning and even part of driving test things won't get any better. Lack of any real training or understanding how a motorway should work. This coupled with human variables such as lack of confidence, hand eye co-ordination, judgement of speed etc combine to make what should be a standard journey a frustrating and at times dangerous one.
I've even heard of people saying they avoid lane 1 because all the lorries use it and therefore it's full of potholes!!
Education is the key, it baffles me why on earth they do not use the gantries for 'Keep Left After Overtaking' messages, I regularly see 'Take a break' signs.... If they did this it would eventually sink in to the brain dead.
It's almost as if they want chaos on the roads, a sort of cheaper version of the smart motorway that keeps the average speeds down without the costs.
It's not because they don't know, it's because doing what they do is easier for them than doing what the highway code says they should be doing. They do what they do because it suits 'their' purpose at the time, much like most drivers observe the rules they want to & ignore those they don't want to observe because it serves their purpose at the time.
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